How to lose weight - it's simple

bigfreddiel

Anoneemoose wrote: »

But WHY do they do all of this? Because it is completely unnatural and going AGAINST their bodies. You are obviously one of a very tiny minority.

And again, it is NOT a failure to keep up the willpower, it their bodies fighting against what they are putting it through.

Willpower means sweet Fanny Adams when your body is telling you its starving.

No one in the U.K. Is starving.

Starving is when you are in a concentration camp to use a really unpleasant and graphic example.

No one starved during rationing in ww2

There is no need to go hungry or use any willpower, just be sensible, think about what you're stuffing down your throats and the consequences,

People just don't wake up one day weighing 20+ stone now do they.

Surely you realise long before that? Don't you think, this isn't right, I must do something about it.

So just do it!

Cheers fj

pelirocco

bubblegun wrote: »

The easiest way to lose weight is to eat less carbs i.e. to eat less bread or pasta.

Most people will find that cutting bread and pasta cuts their weight.

As a type 2 diabetic I couldnt agree more ( but as a type 2 I cut more carbs that that lol )

Cutting carbs for me , and many others also switches off that hungry message from the brain .
Carbs are addictive the more you eat the more you want .
If anyone thinks they seem to be always feeling hungry , get blood test , if you are an insulin resistant diabetic the more carbs you eat , the more unusable insulin your body produces , the more your brain thinks you need to eat to use up the insulin its a vicious circle

Anoneemoose

bigfreddiel wrote: »

No one in the U.K. Is starving.

Starving is when you are in a concentration camp to use a really unpleasant and graphic example.

No one starved during rationing in ww2

There is no need to go hungry or use any willpower, just be sensible, think about what you're stuffing down your throats and the consequences,

People just don't wake up one day weighing 20+ stone now do they.

Surely you realise long before that? Don't you think, this isn't right, I must do something about it.

So just do it!

Cheers fj

Have you read any of my other posts?? Of course I know something isn't right! So what is YOUR idea of 'sensible'? I ask because lots of people have different ideas on this..the NHS recommends low fat for example. People on here, low calorie. Pelirocco is recommended to cut carbs as opposed to calories. My point again being that is isn't 'simple'.

I have 'just done it' - numerous times and now I am bigger than ever.

I appreciate I am not going to die of starvation as I have access to food and CAN eat it. The definition of starvation is to suffer or die from lack of food, and also malnourishment, undernourished, faint from lack of food. So yes, in these forms, I was 'starving' from calorie restriction. Of course I was never going to die from it. But I did suffer, as I mentioned above.

bigfreddiel

Anoneemoose wrote: »

Have you read any of my other posts?? Of course I know something isn't right! So what is YOUR idea of 'sensible'? I ask because lots of people have different ideas on this..the NHS recommends low fat for example. People on here, low calorie. Pelirocco is recommended to cut carbs as opposed to calories. My point again being that is isn't 'simple'.

I have 'just done it' - numerous times and now I am bigger than ever.

I appreciate I am not going to die of starvation as I have access to food and CAN eat it. The definition of starvation is to suffer or die from lack of food, and also malnourishment, undernourished, faint from lack of food. So yes, in these forms, I was 'starving' from calorie restriction. Of course I was never going to die from it. But I did suffer, as I mentioned above.

starvation has been mentioned and it was total cobblers. No one starves.

What is sensible? Well it's just common sense really.

For example, say you were cooking a nice spaghetti bolognese, how much meat, onion, green pepper and tomato would you use for one portion?

Cheers fj

dktreesea

bigfreddiel wrote: »

No one in the U.K. Is starving.

Starving is when you are in a concentration camp to use a really unpleasant and graphic example.

No one starved during rationing in ww2

There is no need to go hungry or use any willpower, just be sensible, think about what you're stuffing down your throats and the consequences,

People just don't wake up one day weighing 20+ stone now do they.

Surely you realise long before that? Don't you think, this isn't right, I must do something about it.

So just do it!

Cheers fj

That's true, but in my case weight crept on over a long number of years. The real issue, I suspect, with weight loss is it took 20 years to get it on but we only want to take less than a year to get it all off. We have too high expectations about how quickly we can lose weight, even though it took years to get to the size we reached at our peak weight.


Plus you say "just do it" but losing weight is a matter of not doing something, i.e. deciding not to eat when you're already full/a snack/ a high calorie drink like sugar laden coke or wine or beer.

Money_maker

I can see what bigfreddiel means by just do it. That means this can be discussed day in and day out, bring on your scientific experiments and links to studies but none of them are doing the slightest bit of good. Its fine to sit there and preach but even better to get up, go out and do it. Obviously not everyone can, but there are those that genuinely cannot and those who wont even try.


It does take time for the weight to go on and the body will ache and moan as you work to get it back into decent shape. Lets face it, if we cannot take responsibility for our own bodies and do the best we can to keep them strong then why should other people be to blame? As we get older (ahem) this is much harder to achieve than for the youngsters. Lets be proud of our bodies. Lets work them hard and reward them with the most nutritious food we can. Lets realise that a small meal leaves us content and alert rather than overstuffing and feeling full and heavy for hours to follow. Let us love ourselves.

FBaby

What is sensible? Well it's just common sense really.

I don't agree with that. It's common sense if you've always managed to avoid putting on a lot of weight, it's not common sense if you've suffered from obesity all your life.

Anoneemoose, have you ever been referred to a multi-disciplinary weight management team? My friend went from a slim size 12 to a size 16 in a few years time, and although I could see her piling on the pounds, she just acted like she had only put on a few. She always went on about how she ate healthily and therefore it wasn't her fault, just her genes that made her put on weight.

Then she started to suffer from back problems, went to the GP and he discussed her weight, that she was officially obese and wanted to refer on to a weight management team. She called me in tears, saying that he was wrong and although she had put on some weight she certainly wasn't obese (she was!), and that the referral was a waste of time.

She got over the upset and agreed to go and to LISTEN to what the experts had to say. She first saw a psychologist who explained how we can be led to associate food with comfort, therefore becoming more and more psychological dependent on it. Then she saw a nutritionist a few times, and that help her understand the cause of her weight, and that was that even though she hate three healthy meals, her portions were way too big (as in, they seemed 'normal', but as a whole, we don't need the portions we have learned to consider normal) and that she tended to blank all those little 'extras' she had in between meals.

They divides a plan that worked for her, taking into account her lifestyle, her weaknesses, and her habits....and it worked! She took it all in not as way to lose weight but a mean to healthy eating. This meant that she didn't lose weight quickly, as a matter of fact, I think she lost none for at least 2 weeks and it was then very slow but she gradually felt better and better. She isn't back to the weight she was, but is a healthy size 12/14. It took 18 months to get there but she has kept it up for over 4 years now. She even took on running and managed to run a half marathon in her 50s.

She too was very defensive every time 'diets' we mentioned, and always came up with excuses as to why she had put on weight but the referral really changed her mindset about healthy eating.

pollypenny

I was also kidding myself that I had a healthy diet, as a vegetarian. I don't like biscuits, crisps etc so I'm not a picker.

Breakfast at 8.30ish, porridge usually. I'd still have lunch at around 1 - a salad sandwich, often with cheese, sometimes with chutney, too, followed by an Activia yoghurt. I can now see that it came to over 500 calories.

Then in the evening I'd have far too many carbs with the meal.

Two meals a day and the 5:2 strategy has taught us to stop when satisfied, however delicious the dish. Our appetites have reduced enormously.

Anoneemoose

Money_maker wrote: »

I can see what bigfreddiel means by just do it. That means this can be discussed day in and day out, bring on your scientific experiments and links to studies but none of them are doing the slightest bit of good. Its fine to sit there and preach but even better to get up, go out and do it. Obviously not everyone can, but there are those that genuinely cannot and those who wont even try.


It does take time for the weight to go on and the body will ache and moan as you work to get it back into decent shape. Lets face it, if we cannot take responsibility for our own bodies and do the best we can to keep them strong then why should other people be to blame? As we get older (ahem) this is much harder to achieve than for the youngsters. Lets be proud of our bodies. Lets work them hard and reward them with the most nutritious food we can. Lets realise that a small meal leaves us content and alert rather than overstuffing and feeling full and heavy for hours to follow. Let us love ourselves.

I do see what you're saying, but when you say 'just do it' - what do you mean? Do what? I am only posting the links AFTER years of trying to 'do it'..by many different means.

I appreciate I am in the minority in this respect, but I really cannot move much - even a short walk would leave me bed bound or in pain (this was the same before I gained as much weight). I also struggle with prepping food and eating, due to nausea, which does mean I sometimes rely on 'easy foods' (toast etc). I buy ready prepped veg etc nowadays as, although not very MSE, is better in the long run. I also used to swim 6 times a week up until a few years before getting ill (the few years in between were when my son was a newborn and my daughter was a toddler and my husband worked odd shifts).

I started posting on this thread to make my point that losing weight isn't simple as the title suggests, and I still stick by that.

Anoneemoose

FBaby wrote: »

I don't agree with that. It's common sense if you've always managed to avoid putting on a lot of weight, it's not common sense if you've suffered from obesity all your life.

Anoneemoose, have you ever been referred to a multi-disciplinary weight management team? My friend went from a slim size 12 to a size 16 in a few years time, and although I could see her piling on the pounds, she just acted like she had only put on a few. She always went on about how she ate healthily and therefore it wasn't her fault, just her genes that made her put on weight.

Then she started to suffer from back problems, went to the GP and he discussed her weight, that she was officially obese and wanted to refer on to a weight management team. She called me in tears, saying that he was wrong and although she had put on some weight she certainly wasn't obese (she was!), and that the referral was a waste of time.

She got over the upset and agreed to go and to LISTEN to what the experts had to say. She first saw a psychologist who explained how we can be led to associate food with comfort, therefore becoming more and more psychological dependent on it. Then she saw a nutritionist a few times, and that help her understand the cause of her weight, and that was that even though she hate three healthy meals, her portions were way too big (as in, they seemed 'normal', but as a whole, we don't need the portions we have learned to consider normal) and that she tended to blank all those little 'extras' she had in between meals.

They divides a plan that worked for her, taking into account her lifestyle, her weaknesses, and her habits....and it worked! She took it all in not as way to lose weight but a mean to healthy eating. This meant that she didn't lose weight quickly, as a matter of fact, I think she lost none for at least 2 weeks and it was then very slow but she gradually felt better and better. She isn't back to the weight she was, but is a healthy size 12/14. It took 18 months to get there but she has kept it up for over 4 years now. She even took on running and managed to run a half marathon in her 50s.

She too was very defensive every time 'diets' we mentioned, and always came up with excuses as to why she had put on weight but the referral really changed her mindset about healthy eating.

Thanks for this. I haven't seen a multi disciplinary team, no. I have seen an NHS dietitian who was as useful as an ashtray on a motorbike. I went for help with my weight and IBS...I kid you not I came out of the appointment utterly bewildered!:rotfl: To summarise, she told me to eat whole grain stuff to lose weight, and white stuff for my IBS. Obviously there was a bit more to the appt than that, but that really was the gist of it!

I did go through a phase of not 'realising' just how big I was getting..I am totally aware now. I am only a few points away from being over a BMI of 40.

I have tried over the years, calorie counting, my fitnesspal, weight watchers, slimming world, Cambridge, Atkins, Paleo, slim fast, over exercising, 5:2, 16:8, heart foundation diet and many others probably too silly to remember!! Oh and hypnotherapy. I have also paid for private counselling, which unfortunately, wasn't as specific as it probably needed to be, although it was useful in other ways. I also want to point out that when I say I have tried these 'diets', I have done them for a good few months each (years in the case of Slimming World), apart from a small few like the heart foundation one where I could've eaten a manky carpet, I was that hungry!

Well done to your friend, that is amazing.