Cylinder keys that can't be copied ?

FF99

I am looking to find rim and Euro cylinders which have non-copyable keys, or at least keys which are as difficult to copy as possible without a code or card.

I know that many makes claim that they can't be copied without a code or card, but my own experience suggests that even Mul-T lock keys could (in the past at least) be copied by a lock shop, without the relevant paperwork.

stator

Avocet ABS is that one I went for, the key is odd and I can't imagine how anyone could copy it and it's 3 star kite marked, so the highest security on the lock.




I'm not sure about rim locks

TheCyclingProgrammer

Avocet ABS is supposed to be good though personally I went for the Brisant Ultion as I didn't want a magnetic key.

Both are diamond standard cylinders, probably two of the best and most secure on the market.

The keys aren't copy proof but getting hold of or making a copy isn't as easy. You certainly won't get one from your local Timpsons.

FF99

Thanks for the replies. It is a bit concerning when one sees the key blanks for these high security locks being sold on Ebay. It suggests that there is probably a demand for them from unauthorised copiers (even if not available on every High St). As the property is in Central London - where pretty much everything is available - that is what I am trying to protect against.

Does anyone in the know know if the latest Mul-T lock cylinders - such as the MT5 which is still in its patent protected period - can actually be copied, or are they as close to copy proof as possible ?

cyclonebri1

I've got similar Yale eurocyl locks, taken them to the outfit at tesco and asda and to the local locksmiths we use at work, none could copy without the code that you get on purchase as a key fob.


No doesn't that last bit just make a mockery of this not that you'ld keep it on the same fob as the house door would you?:A:A:A

Silver-Surfer_2

cyclonebri1 wrote: »

I've got similar Yale eurocyl locks, taken them to the outfit at tesco and asda and to the local locksmiths we use at work, none could copy without the code that you get on purchase as a key fob.


No doesn't that last bit just make a mockery of this not that you'ld keep it on the same fob as the house door would you?:A:A:A

So they can be copied but it's all down to the integrity of the shop whether they ask for the code or not?

TheCyclingProgrammer

These keys can also be decoded by sight so don't go posting photos of your keys either!

A lock can only do so much. If somebody really wants to get into your property they probably aren't going to get a copy of your key or even attempt to break the lock, they will just look for an easier route.

Silver-Surfer_2

TheCyclingProgrammer wrote: »

These keys can also be decoded by sight so don't go posting photos of your keys either!

A lock can only do so much. If somebody really wants to get into your property they probably aren't going to get a copy of your key or even attempt to break the lock, they will just look for an easier route.

The thing is they are snapping euro locks to break in.

cyclonebri1

There are easier way to get in than forging keys or smashing anti pick/anti bump/ anti drill or anti whatever euros.

We all forget the scramble up the drain pipe round the back, take 5 roof tiles of and the jobs a "goodun". Park a white van outside and it's the roofer that cops it.

Norman_Castle

FF99 wrote: »

It is a bit concerning when one sees the key blanks for these high security locks being sold on Ebay. It suggests that there is probably a demand for them from unauthorised copiers

At present the only Avocet ABS blanks on ebay are from a single locksmith clearing their stock. All the others are for keys cut to a code supplied by the buyer.

forgotmyname

Your local shop may not supply the keys but you can get them from China cheaply. Some very specialised locks with odd keys thought to be the bees knees were soon redesigned when lock picks became available for them.

Check LockLab on youtube.