WASPI Campaign .... State Pensions

slightlymiffed

Mistermeaner wrote: »

You just manufactured something to be offended about from nothing

Now run along you silly little woman

Now that is really funny!

And your incisive and considered points about fair transitional arrangements for womens' state pensions are.....?

No, didn't think so.

bmm78

mystic_trev wrote: »

Most of that time will be spent trying to sort out Brexit and it's consequences. I can't see WASPI's demands being high on anyone's agenda.They're welcome to continue their futile campaign. I firmly believe everyone should have a hobby.

The strategy from the APPG MPs is likely to be to try and catch the government napping and outvote them with an amendment to the upcoming Pensions Bill.

That scenario is problematic for many reasons, but the approach seems to be more aimed at a solution via the political backdoor rather than persuading the government it is the right thing to do.

jem16

mystic_trev wrote: »

I believe there was already an Action group for the 2011 Act, which unfortunately got rolled into the WASPI campaign.

What actually happened was that as the WASPI campaign started to achieve numbers signing the petition, the 2011 group stood back so as not to detract from the WASPI campaign. They have come to regret that decision.

saver861 wrote: »

Can you point me to the campaign that succeeded in achieving the initial reduction from 24 months to 18 months? Much obliged ...

No problem. It was called "Hands off our pensions" and was a joint effort between the Unions, Labour MPs and the founders.


http://www.cwu.org/media/campaigns/previous-campaigns/hands-off-our-pensions/

Pennylane

I can't believe I've not been on here since 30 June!! :rotfl:

Very glad that sexter and Pensions Minister Stephen Crabb has resigned and we now have Damien Green. Let's hope he's better than Crabb.

Theresa May has already being replying to our emails on women's pensions. :T

Mistermeaner

To the person that asked my views on waspi :

demands are rediculous - no basis and not affordable. For all the reasons stated by others which there is little point in repeating.

saver861

jem16 wrote: »

What actually happened was that as the WASPI campaign started to achieve numbers signing the petition, the 2011 group stood back so as not to detract from the WASPI campaign. They have come to regret that decision.

So, let me see now. This 2011 group has been actively attempting to get concessions on the 2011 Act since ...... presumably 2011. Along comes WASPI circa April 2015 and the said 2011 group takes a step back!!

Not only that, WASPI has included the 1995 act in its intentions for change from the beginning i.e. for all those women losing pension from age 60.

Yet the near anonymous 2011 group take a step back ..... and now they are regretting it!!!!!!!!!

Let me think ..... What's wrong there now .... hmmm ... there is just something ..... hmmmm ... it'll come to me ....

jem16 wrote: »

No problem. It was called "Hands off our pensions" and was a joint effort between the Unions, Labour MPs and the founders.


http://www.cwu.org/media/campaigns/previous-campaigns/hands-off-our-pensions/

Not sure if you are telling me this is the same group that took a step back when WASPI came along .. or this is yet another group called 'Hands off Our Pensions' .... or that its just a phrase .... same as the one used by the Fire Brigade union etc ....

This 'group' petitioned to stop the pension rises being aligned to the CPI as opposed to the RPI ..... not much success there then!!

Another phrase that comes to mind..... wake up and smell the coffee .....

jem16

saver861 wrote: »

Not sure if you are telling me this is the same group that took a step back when WASPI came along

You asked for a link to the campaign that won the 6 months concession. That's what I gave you.

saver861

jem16 wrote: »

You asked for a link to the campaign that won the 6 months concession. That's what I gave you.

shhhh .... shhhh ..... you will upset the Baroness Altmann .... she says she was the one that achieved the reduction of 6 months..... lets hope she don't read this thread...

Mind you, Mrs Smith two doors down will be telling me next that she and her Aunt Molly were the ones responsible for the 6 months reduction ....

So, what did the other 2011 group achieve then ... the one that stood back to let WASPI have their wings ..... so to speak!!

atush

shhhh .... shhhh

You asked a question, were given the answer but dont have the good grace to say so.

Daniel54

saver861 wrote: »

So, what did the other 2011 group achieve then ... the one that stood back to let WASPI have their wings ..... so to speak!!

Waspi have achieved nothing to date apart from a good deal of publicity.What is your point ?At least the 2011 coalescing of opposition,which included Saga ( read their press releases from that time) achieved something

Actually, I think the debate has moved on and you have missed it .I would again recommend reading Twitter if you have any interest in the Waspi issue - it is above all a social media campaign that has so far achieved zero political support for it's proposed 'transitional arrangements" all of which involve retro-active payments to 1950s women as-if their retirement age was 60.

So where are we....

The only option to achieve retrospective payments due to poor communication from the DWP in respect of the 1995 Act is legal.The costs to all of us who pay tax and NI would be into eleven or twelve figures and it would be the duty of any Government to fight this with all means necessary in the interests of the economy and inter-generational fairness.I would fully support them in this

The 2011 Act was harsh,but it has gone through due Parliamentary process and is law.Mrs May was a senior member of the Cabinet and held one of the three top Offices of State at the time.Government is not going to legislate for a change to this Act.

As the SPA goes out to 66 and then 67 - and most certainly further in the future ( unless we start dying sooner) -I think it would be sensible to review whether the state benefit system might be better shaped to help both men and women in financial need post 60.Maybe something for the WPSC to prioritise in their agenda.I am not clear that saving for retirement is adequately rewarded as things stand

I would also welcome advertising campaigns to point 1950s born men and women towards maximising the benefits to which they might be entitled.If you find yourself in difficulties towards the end of your working life due to e.g. illness or redundancy,there truly should be no shame in taking such entitlements.

As for Waspi, they could morph into a campaign that steps away from demanding more state money only for 1950s born women,irrespective of need.That is their choice. But it might be welcome if they concentrated on those most in need.

Sorry for being ,as you so pleasantly put it,a cesspool of negativity.