Sugar Tax

kinger101

Mojisola wrote: »

Modern wheats are not the same as the ancient varieties.

Modern methods of bread making rush the process and the resulting bread isn't the same.

There are no doubt people who imagine that wheat is bad for them but, if you get bloating or gut problems after eating bread, you'd be daft to keep eating it. It's possible that many of these people would be able to eat properly-made bread from heritage wheats without any problems.

Yet when self-reporting gluten-intolerant people are put into blinded trials, no differences are observed between gluten and placebo groups.

http://www.gastrojournal.org/article/S0016-5085(13)00702-6/abstract

Shrimply

kinger101 wrote: »

Yet when self-reporting gluten-intolerant people are put into blinded trials, no differences are observed between gluten and placebo groups.

http://www.gastrojournal.org/article/S0016-5085(13)00702-6/abstract

"We performed a double-blind cross-over trial of 37 subjects" :rotfl:

kinger101

cells wrote: »

Brest milk is 40% sugar as calories.

So is there merit to the idea that humans can not tolerate high sugar diets or that it is bad for humans?

It's not really part of the adult diet. In fact, many adults (particularly in asia) cannot digest lactose. I think part of the problem is calorific excess as sugar. Mum didn't used to give 64 oz servingsi in the Big Gulp cup.

kinger101

Shrimply wrote: »

"We performed a double-blind cross-over trial of 37 subjects" :rotfl:

What's the correct number to use? How do you determine this number? Would a study on an excessively large group be ethical when there isn't any compelling evidence to indicate the intolerance exists?

Mojisola

Mojisola wrote: »

There are no doubt people who imagine that wheat is bad for them but, if you get bloating or gut problems after eating bread, you'd be daft to keep eating it.

kinger101 wrote: »

Yet when self-reporting gluten-intolerant people are put into blinded trials, no differences are observed between gluten and placebo groups.

http://www.gastrojournal.org/article/S0016-5085(13)00702-6/abstract

"In all participants, gastrointestinal symptoms consistently and significantly improved during reduced FODMAP intake, but significantly worsened to a similar degree when their diets included gluten or whey protein.

Gluten-specific effects were observed in only 8% of participants. There were no diet-specific changes in any biomarker. During the 3-day rechallenge, participants’ symptoms increased by similar levels among groups. Gluten-specific gastrointestinal effects were not reproduced. An order effect was observed."

As I said - if you get gut problems when you eat certain foods, it makes sense to avoid them.

kinger101

Mojisola wrote: »

"In all participants, gastrointestinal symptoms consistently and significantly improved during reduced FODMAP intake, but significantly worsened to a similar degree when their diets included gluten or whey protein.

Er....the whey protein was the placebo. And FODMOP has nothing to do with gluten.

Mojisola

kinger101 wrote: »

Er....the whey protein was the placebo. And FODMOP has nothing to do will gluten.

It's not only gluten (or may not be gluten at all) that people react to when they get gut problems from eating certain foods.

kinger101

Mojisola wrote: »

It's not only gluten (or may not be gluten at all) that people react to when they get gut problems from eating certain foods.

Moving goalposts. My original posts was about the gluten myth.

stokesley

PasturesNew wrote: »

According to today's DM, the font of ALL genuine medical advice and information, you can "cure" diabetes simply by not scoffing for 8 weeks.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3503734/Dieting-just-eight-weeks-reverse-diabetes-Experts-say-restricting-food-two-months-eradicate-disease.html

My OH was part of this trial. It worked for him.

cells

kinger101 wrote: »

It's not really part of the adult diet. In fact, many adults (particularly in asia) cannot digest lactose. I think part of the problem is calorific excess as sugar. Mum didn't used to give 64 oz servingsi in the Big Gulp cup.

Mothers might not give 64 ounces of Brest milk a go but if you were Brest fed you obtained 40% of your calories as sugar. So a high sugar diet seems quite normal

If that is the case then being fat is down to calories much nkreso than sugar.