Lodgers' partners staying

SynthDream

I currently have two lodgers living with me in my house under lodger agreements. The rooms are for single occupancy only and I have home insurance which covers two lodgers. My written agreement with both lodgers is that they are allowed guests to stay in their room for a couple of nights a week. I'm aware that having more two lodgers living in a household would turn it into an HMO (house with multiple occupancy). Now, if one of the lodgers' boyfriends comes to stay, how many days of him being here would mean they're actually living here rather than just being a guest? a week, two weeks, a month?

kinger101

Just use common sense. If someone is there a month or a year (because they have no other home for example), they're no longer a guest but a resident. If it's a couple of nights a week, or even the odd week, then they're not.

Why would you want a lodgers partner staying that long anyway?

booksurr

if lodger's partner has a home of their own then their visitation to "you" is as a guest. So you need to subject lodger's boyfriend to extreme torture to find out if he rents or owns somewhere else in his own name.

If he does, then apologise to the BF for abusing him and accept that he is merely a visitor having s e x with his GF, and it is none of your business how long he stays (or lasts),

If he does not have a "permanent" place he calls home, and is instead using your place as home, then of course you have every right to subject him to extreme pressure until he starts paying you rent.

fed_up_and_stressed

booksurr wrote: »

if lodger's partner has a home of their own then their visitation to "you" is as a guest. So you need to subject lodger's boyfriend to extreme torture to find out if he rents or owns somewhere else in his own name.

If he does, then apologise to the BF for abusing him and accept that he is merely a visitor having s e x with his GF, and it is none of your business how long he stays (or lasts),

If he does not have a "permanent" place he calls home, and is instead using your place as home, then of course you have every right to subject him to extreme pressure until he starts paying you rent.

It is in their interest or should be in their tenancy agreement a stipulation over maximum nights stays due to it affecting / increasing usage of utilities. E.g. If the household is fitted with a water meter or increased energy bills.

kinger101

booksurr wrote: »

If he does, then apologise to the BF for abusing him and accept that he is merely a visitor having s e x with his GF, and it is none of your business how long he stays (or lasts)

Outside of wedlock? Tell them you will permit no such thing. Only allow male guests to have cold showers. This helps prevent beastliness.

dc197

Does your lodger spend a few nights a week at her boyfriend's house? If so, do you think that it evens out?

Jhoney_2

Shoehorn yourself between them on the living room sofa with a bundle of unpaid utility invoices...that should bith reduce stay overs and ardour in equal measure!;)

Back to your point though, if the lodger is not there most of the time, it should be ok re HMO concern as per your post if that is correct.

However, do you want another person there that much? How does the other lodger feel?

G_M

There are 2 aspects here.

1) the legal one. HMO, insurance etc. For that, whether the partner is 'living' there is a quesion of fact. To determine the fact, consider
* what address their bank has
* what address DVLA, HMRC, pension provider, employer etc have for them
* where they are on electoral register
etc

this will determine where their normal place of residence is.

2) what you are happy with as landlord. This is entirely up to you. You could
* forbid any overnight guests
* permit x nights per week/month
* permit the same number of nights as the lodger stays away (eg at the partner's home)
* require a payment for each overnight stay
or make whatever other rule you want.

the lodger can take it or leave (it).