Welcome to the up and coming areas of London ...

cells

all this talk of transport issues when the state could just admit it made a mistake by building far too many social homes in the inner boroughs and gave them mostly to people who who dont work in the three big employment hubs that are the city, Westminster and docklands.

Sell down the social homes in Z1&2 towards 5% of the stock and London would be a lot less congested.

Samsonite1

padington wrote: »

A bus compared to the tube is like the difference between a donkey and a racehorse. Try zone 1 to zone 6 on a bus sometime.

I rarely go out in London past 1am, so it's not worth buying a house just so that the train is an option - I have a bus (1 hour) or a cab (20 mins). What I do more regularly is go to work and having a quick train to most parts of London from one station is much more valuable than a tube line. The tube is not that quick for getting around London in comparison. And the tube is horrible in the morning and evening rush hours too.

I take your point that having tubes to catch after 1am is a bonus over Zone 6, although I would call it a consolation

chewmylegoff

padington wrote: »

Haven't you just proved yourself wrong by writing that on the Iminent night train thread ?

Fortunately though in wooders we have tube and overground.

it's still !!!! though...

The tube is hell now. I can just about tolerate the 10 minute stint from Waterloo to Canary Wharf on the jubilee, but I deliberately travel in early so that it is bearable and am at work by 7.30. Every year it seems to get worse, and rush hour seems to start earlier and earlier. It is noticeably busier now on the tube at 7.15 than even six months ago - rarely get a seat at that time in the morning these days.

I used to come in from Clapham North - that route must basically been uncommuntable now, I can't imagine what it is like - you couldn't get on the tube by 7.45 ten years ago. Last year TFL asked people to experiment by taking other routes to work rather than getting on at any of the Clapham stations, basically pleading with people not to use the tube because it's so busy.

The proper train bit of my commute is more reasonable but even that is stupidly busy by 7am. At least you can time it on the way home so you always get a seat and aren't jammed into someone's armpit underground for 45 minutes.

But anyway, back on topic, I think we can all agree that Wood Green is like Vauxhall from 10 years ago, except on the opposite trajectory.

Nikkster

padington wrote: »

A bus compared to the tube is like the difference between a donkey and a racehorse. Try zone 1 to zone 6 on a bus sometime.

I used to to live in Uxbridge. Hated the night bus (not enough to not use it, mind you ). The worst was when it terminated before the end of the route, at the Hayes bypass. I wouldn't choose to hang round there in daylight, let alone at 2am.

Samsonite1

Nikkster wrote: »

I used to to live in Uxbridge. Hated the night bus (not enough to not use it, mind you ). The worst was when it terminated before the end of the route, at the Hayes bypass. I wouldn't choose to hang round there in daylight, let alone at 2am.

To be honest for me, either I leave before 1am and get the normal train (15 mins) or if I plan on staying out much after 1am I will get a cab (20 mins). If I want to really have a night of it, I just stay out until 5am-ish and get the first train home. Simples!

padington

chewmylegoff wrote: »

it's still !!!! though...

The tube is hell now. I can just about tolerate the 10 minute stint from Waterloo to Canary Wharf on the jubilee, but I deliberately travel in early so that it is bearable and am at work by 7.30. Every year it seems to get worse, and rush hour seems to start earlier and earlier. It is noticeably busier now on the tube at 7.15 than even six months ago - rarely get a seat at that time in the morning these days.

I used to come in from Clapham North - that route must basically been uncommuntable now, I can't imagine what it is like - you couldn't get on the tube by 7.45 ten years ago. Last year TFL asked people to experiment by taking other routes to work rather than getting on at any of the Clapham stations, basically pleading with people not to use the tube because it's so busy.

The proper train bit of my commute is more reasonable but even that is stupidly busy by 7am. At least you can time it on the way home so you always get a seat and aren't jammed into someone's armpit underground for 45 minutes.

But anyway, back on topic, I think we can all agree that Wood Green is like Vauxhall from 10 years ago, except on the opposite trajectory.

Wooders is on a fricking nice trajectory. Travelodge seems to agree, hence why they're joining the party. You like them right?

Where's 'short change' ? I'm sure he'd like to know.

Anyway night tube ... hmm.. I wonder what the extra upside per night tube station? What was the cross rail one upside again ?

mwpt

padington wrote: »

Anyway night tube ... hmm.. I wonder what the extra upside per night tube station? What was the cross rail one upside again ?

Crossrail one allows better travel to and from work every day. Night tube is a nice benefit for the odd night out and to certain shift workers.

But it is a nice benefit anyway.

padington

mwpt wrote: »

Crossrail one allows better travel to and from work every day. Night tube is a nice benefit for the odd night out and to certain shift workers.

But it is a nice benefit anyway.

Young renters will love it. It was criminal that we had the infrastructure for so long but no one could be bothered to make it happen.

A good example of self interest groups messing it up for everyone.

padington

It looks like the night tube is back on, the unions have agreed a settlement.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/night-tube-deal-union-members-vote-nearly-9-1-in-favour-of-accepting-new-four-year-wage-offer-with-a6916916.html