has anyone ever managed to kick the sugar habit?

Bitsy_Beans

There is an excellent lecture by Dr Robert Lustig which is really worth a watch. Yes fruit can contain as much sugar as some high sugar processed foods BUT the fibre contained within the whole fruit slows down the rate of absorption. Not to mention other essential nutrients contained within.

http://youtu.be/dBnniua6-oM

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Bitsy_Beans wrote: »

There is an excellent lecture by Dr Robert Lustig which is really worth a watch. Yes fruit can contain as much sugar as some high sugar processed foods BUT the fibre contained within the whole fruit slows down the rate of absorption. Not to mention other essential nutrients contained within.

http://youtu.be/dBnniua6-oM

Great video, I ll finish the other half off tomorrow. I know all about the added sugars in supermarket stuff. thats why I mentioned that the supermarkets are out to get us ! Its hard to find anything in a jar/packet/can which has nt had sugar added. Only two breakfast cereals on the shelf has nt been indoctrinated with lots of added sugars ( Shredded Wheat and Porridge Oats ) Last year one of the heads of the NHS described sugar as poison ! Getting off it is hard though.. I m still very tempted if I have it around the house.

lookingforthebestdeals

i am sure i have posted in this section before , if i haven't here goes... from my personal experience of coming off sugar i use to drink alot of energy drinks due to working late nights and getting the energy the next year as i am sure you are aware energy drinks are as addicted as smoking what i did was change to drinking water alot and also cut down on meals with a high level of sugar in them and also cakes i more or less cut sugar by half in my diet and moved to just eating fruit and veg alot more and exercising ( which i still am ) to increase me apatite and just ate healthy to take me away from sugar. this really helped me out alot feel free to inbox me with any help you might want

teddysmum

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First thing they tell you when you re classified as diabetic is avoid all dried fruit.You might just as well be spoonfeeding yourself from a bag of Tate and Lyle

I wasn't told that. The dietician said everything in moderation (even a treat size Mars bar as a weekly treat). Even 'red dot' products are ok, occasionally ,provided that the regular meals are 'green dot'.


On their website, Diabetes UK list dried fruit as a possible , but much less of it as a portion, compared to fruits like apples, pears, peaches etc. They also promote a scrummy recipe for pineapple cake, which is a light dried fruit cake, with pineapple, but no added sugar at all. (I have the recipe taken from their regular magazine).

Gloomendoom

Mrs G has just turned down the offer a free visit to Cadbury World.

I think she is making progress.

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teddysmum wrote: »

I wasn't told that. The dietician said everything in moderation (even a treat size Mars bar as a weekly treat). Even 'red dot' products are ok, occasionally ,provided that the regular meals are 'green dot'.


On their website, Diabetes UK list dried fruit as a possible , but much less of it as a portion, compared to fruits like apples, pears, peaches etc. They also promote a scrummy recipe for pineapple cake, which is a light dried fruit cake, with pineapple, but no added sugar at all. (I have the recipe taken from their regular magazine).

Maybe my adviser was stricter than yours. some of the nurses and "dieticians " lecturing me about my diet I could easily classify as obese themselves. You have to watch what the "dieticians " say, one of mine was a very chubby nurse who said put honey in your porridge instead of golden syrup or jam! I corrected her and she admitted it was nt suitable. My Doctor , who was a diabetes expert advised me against all dried fruits. even peanuts were relegated to as many as you can lay on the flat of your hand! Diabetic jams , marmalade and chocolate were all off the menu also. Even the healthy banana ( which I was a big fan of ) was poo poo`d with doc saying leave them out, we are not monkeys ! In four years as a diabetic, starting at 6.2, I am still at 6.2 on my yearly reviews, not bad for a progressive illness, and my doctor says I am their best pupil. I meet many diabetics in my job and most just hope that the tablets do the job and don t take the true diet seriously and still tuck into ice cream and pop. I ve read some of these diabetic recipe books and I just shake my head in wonder at how bad some of them are. Try a book called "Diabetes for Dummies " for good advice. Ok , a little chocky treat will be fine every now and again but I m not keen on regular amounts of raisins, sultanas etc as a substitute for sweeties. The idea is to kick the sugar habit not be a part timer. Go back in years to before the second world war and try their diet minus the lard ! Hardly any diabetes around then.

teddysmum

NHS dieticians (I saw a specialist diabetes one)are qualified professionals, whereas nutritionists can be just self made and unqualified.


In the same health authority as us, my husband's diabetic friend was told,by his GP's practice nurse (not a qualified diabetes nurse) that you should not ,under any circumstances, eat bananas,whereas the NHS dietician said they are fine, in moderation, but much better when just ripe, as softer bananas have more effect on your blood sugar ( suspect because , being mushy, they are quicker to digest).


The key point you made is the amount of fruit eaten. Being dried, of course a 'palmful' of dried fruit is equivalent to quite a lot of grapes and you are right in your comment that some think the meds mean they can feel free to eat what they choose. Special diabetes foods are a con, as they have the same effect on blood sugars as regular products, but are likely to give you the 'bonus' of diarrhea.


I've have been on diet and exercise for 7 years and have had good readings until my last MOT when the HbA1c was a little high (6.6%, after going off the rails by pushing the boundaries of my treats allowance). I was given a target of 6.5%, but 3 months later, was disappointed to find it had gone slightly higher (possibly because of another health issue) , so I have been very good since and await my next test, due on Monday. (I've lost a stone in weight, anyway).


However, it does seem to get even the 'very good' eventually, as our local Diabetes UK group's education officer managed many years on diet and exercise, but is now on insulin.

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You re doing great TeddysMum, 6.5/6.6 after 7 years is excellent proving you are following an excellent regime. I wonder if you have thought about the latest diet from last year where diabetics went on a 12 week diet of only 800 calories a day. This burnt up the fat around the liver which then, so they say, "re sets " the pancreas to produce the right amount of insulin and users become non diabetic. I was told by my specialist diabetic doctor that it does work but more likely with overweight people than me at 10.7 . The diet was worked out by the same doctor who started the 5/2 diet . I will try it this year when I will be free from my energetic job for a while.

Feral_Moon

I've not heard of the diet you mention but I do know that having a gastric bypass can "cure" type 2 diabetes almost overnight. I wonder whether it works on a similar principle.

Someone mentioned that a dietician is more professional than a nutritionist. Whilst, yes that's true in the sense they are a registered body (although nutritionists are now achieving this status with the correct level of training) you have to remember they can only follow NHS guidelines and for many years these have been wrong and outdated, as we're now beginning to discover.

It's likely practice nurses/diabetic dieticians are still giving out old advice especially when it comes to recommending that a diabetic should consume large quantities of carbohydrates and sugar in the form of fruit. If you think you're receiving incorrect advice then it's best to seek a second opinion or do some research of your own. Try to find a dietician/nutritionist that partakes in regular CPD to keep up to date with current guidelines.

Feral_Moon

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