More Social Cleansing from Dave

csgohan4

CLAPTON wrote: »

would your 'right to live' scheme apply to all or only the unemployed?

Theres the thing, there's no one size fits all, however bare in mind this should apply to council houses only and hence for those on HB

CLAPTON

csgohan4 wrote: »

Theres the thing, there's no one size fits all, however bare in mind this should apply to council houses only and hence for those on HB

the rtb applied to all council housing : most of the people would have been working

many council tenant even today, work

Sapphire

lisyloo wrote: »

There is an assumption there that moving people out of dirty, smelly central London to say beautiful countryside would make them less happy. Why would it automatically have to be a downgrade?

Most people suffer overcrowding and pollution for the sake of their careers. If you don't have to work then there are much nicer places to live.

Why can't it be a win/win instead?

That would work for those who have come to London quite recently, but I really think it wouldn't be right to force elderly people of the indigenous population, who have lived in London all their lives, in their own communities (as perhaps their ancestors did), to move out of London. It could be really traumatic and inhumane for them. I don't think it's at all easy for those born and bred in London to adjust to rural areas (different for those born in them and who move back, of course).

antrobus

csgohan4 wrote: »

...There should have been a Right to live scheme where you got the house for the rest of your living life for minimal rent....

But council tenants already possessed the right to live in the property for the rest of their lives.

What are you suggesting? That tenants should have been offered the opportunity to pay a one-off capital payment in order to get a reduction in rent?

Wednesday2000

kabayiri wrote: »

There was an Iranian family featured recently on tv, where father; mother and grown-up son all shared a tiny flat in London. They came from a wealthier lifestyle and were now existing in a place costing the taxpayer £1700 a month!

I think I saw that show, weren't they complaining about the noise from the street?!

danothy

mwpt wrote: »

Ha ha.

How do I enter that particular lottery?

I'm not sure why you think it's be a lottery. Just build enough for everyone who can't afford one.

kabayiri

Wednesday2000 wrote: »

I think I saw that show, weren't they complaining about the noise from the street?!

Yes, that's right.

The solution to their housing needs was expensive and unsuitable.

The mother was suffering health problems from traffic.

The flat was more suitable for a London worker, someone younger.

This family had no need to be in London.

setmefree2

antrobus wrote: »

If that's true, then why did the Labour Party react by stating that "a bigger scheme with more investment is required", and why did the Guardian characterise it as "a bid for the political centre ground".

Do you understand that what is being suggested is just simple more of what is already happening? See, for example Woodberry Down estate in Hackney; 1,980 homes to be demolished, 5,500 new homes to be built, "up to 17% more homes across all tenures".

http://www.hackney.gov.uk/woodberry-down.htm

Another example here in Ealing

http://www.ridge.co.uk/project/green-man-lane-estate-regeneration/

464 homes/slum dwellings demolished to make way for 764.

Not only will this reclaim "a ghetto"/ the old Green Man Estate - it will also rejuvenate the nice area around it and make it a place people want to live.

Win Win.

setmefree2

Rich2808 wrote: »

All I can say is your hard working average kids cannot be that average if they can afford to pay 600k for a one bed flat - that is becoming the going rate in many zone 1 and 2 news builds arising from this supposed regeneration. There is a new development in Paddington where one bed shoeboxes - as that is what they are - start at £950k.

Please. Even when I came to live in London in the mid 1980s nobody normal could afford to live in Zone 1 and 2.

stator

setmefree2 wrote: »

Another example here in Ealing

http://www.ridge.co.uk/project/green-man-lane-estate-regeneration/

464 homes/slum dwellings demolished to make way for 764.

Not only will this reclaim "a ghetto"/ the old Green Man Estate - it will also rejuvenate the nice area around it and make it a place people want to live.

Win Win.

Except the rents will be higher and all of the original residents will have been 'cleansed' from the area by the time the new builds are finished.