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MSE News: Women's state pension changes petition smashes 100,000 signatures - and may

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A petition created by Women Against State Pension Inequality has gained more than 100,000 signatures...
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Women's state pension changes petition smashes 100,000 signatures - and may now get second parliamentary debate

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  • patannepatanne Forumite
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    It amazes me that there are so many women prepared to admit that whilst in their late thirties they were too (insert your own word here mine would probably be considered insulting) to know what was going on. We wanted equality, we were told we were going to get it!

    The real problems with the changes are the ones regarding the 2011 changes which have been done with very little notice. WASPI do not want to know about these - indeed they seem to think that these are okay. Don't trust their facebook page - they are deleting, very quickly, anything that is posted that isn't in agreement with them.

    I have heard that a lot of people have just signed this petition thinking it is about the 2011 changes - it most definitely isn't. All they want is FULL compensation for any woman whose SPA wasn't 60 until you get to a specific date born on (I think) 31/12/59 after that - it's your problem.
  • jem16jem16 Forumite
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    patanne wrote: »
    It amazes me that there are so many women prepared to admit that whilst in their late thirties they were too (insert your own word here mine would probably be considered insulting) to know what was going on. We wanted equality, we were told we were going to get it!

    I think most women did actually know what was going on. A 2004 survey by the DWP states that 72% of the age group affected knew about the equalisation plans.

    Now there are too many women jumping on the compensation bandwagon and making out that they didn't know.

    Most of the support that they think they have got seem to be concentrating on the 2011 changes so I think WASPI might be in for a shock.

    http://www.debbieabrahams.org.uk/2016/my-support-for-the-women-against-state-pension-inequality-waspi-campaign

    http://citywire.co.uk/new-model-adviser/news/labour-urges-govt-to-redress-older-women-hit-by-spa-rises/a871545

    A quote from the last link;
    According to the FT, Thomas-Symonds (pictured) said Labour would ‘hold the government to its promise of transitional protections for those affected by the 2011 changes’ and was ‘grappling with how best to work out the transitional provisions’

    He said: ‘I think the case [for compensation] is stronger for 2011 because of the promise to consider transitional provisions [made by Iain Duncan Smith] in 2011. We say they have never followed it through…
  • phillwphillw Forumite
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    Do they realise the irony in the name "Women Against State Pension Inequality".

    What do we want "State Pension Equality".
    When do we want it "Never".

    Contracted out of SERPS years not counting towards a state pension is a much bigger problem and the government "bribed" people to do it. Where do I sign up for that petition?
  • hyubhhyubh Forumite
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    Contracted out of SERPS years not counting towards a state pension is a much bigger problem

    No it isn't, mainly because it is not the case that contracted out years do not count towards a state pension.
    and the government "bribed" people to do it.

    No they didn't. The correct response to a group of people unreasonably claiming victimhood is not to think of a way to claim victimhood yourself.
  • saver861saver861 Forumite
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    The petition, which was last month backed by MoneySavingExpert,

    Thank you to Martin and the MSE team for supporting this issue.

    Whether it is an energy company, a local store or the Government, it is important that the ordinary Joe's and Jane's can challenge decisions for further scrutiny.

    Probably not everyone full appreciates the importance of such rights.

    Nor will everyone be pleased whatever the outcome - such is the nature of such freedoms!

    We will find out the outcomes in due course.
  • Percy1983Percy1983 Forumite
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    Well if anything does change due to this we need to find 100,000 men to sign against such inequality.

    Women wanted equality and got non sexist car insurance and equal retirement age, I really can't see the problem.
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    edited 6 January 2016 at 2:52AM
    Percy1983 wrote: »
    Well if anything does change due to this we need to find 100,000 men to sign against such inequality.

    Women wanted equality and got non sexist car insurance and equal retirement age, I really can't see the problem.

    Please don't make the (sexist) assumption that all women, and only women, are signing this petition or supporting the campaign and that only men would sign against it.

    If you read the other threads on the topic you can see that there are many women (including myself) who disagree with WASPI and some men who seem to support it...
  • patannepatanne Forumite
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    Not actually a good idea to bring car insurance into this as at some point someone may decide that what they are currently doing is ageist. Insurance is all about risk. After all if womens accidents cost less than mens then they are a lower risk, if they pay the same as someone with a higher risk (men) then we should all have to pay enough to cover the teenagers accidents (very high risk). Then we can all have a nervous breakdown when we see the cost of our renewals.

    Be careful what you wish for - you may get it!
  • GoldiegirlGoldiegirl Forumite
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    The linked article says that the petition is 'backed by MSE'

    Now MSE are an influential group, so no doubt they consider very carefully which campaigns they choose to back.

    Bearing in mind all the concerns and reservations that MSE contributors have voiced regarding various aspects of the WASPI campaign, I'd love to know their rationale for backing this particular campaign, with all it's holes and flaws.
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  • zagfleszagfles Forumite
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    I would imagine the same will happen as the school holiday prices petition, where the stupid aspect of the petition was completely ignored. And that got far more signatures than this one.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-26289805
    The e-petition which sparked the debate - signed by more than 168,000 people - calls on the government to "enforce action that caps the percentage increase on holiday prices in school holidays", but the debate did not focus on that suggestion as no MP supported it.
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