Sign the Petition for Womens state pension age going up unfair

colsten

POPPYOSCAR wrote: »

Why?
That is how some lead their lives. Each to their own.

Figgerty wrote: »

It shows how little we thought about serious topics at that time.

I am truly shocked that any woman of my generation who was lucky enough to work and live in the UK would admit that they didn't read serious newspapers, watched the soaps every night and discussed TV, soap stars, pop songs, holidays etc. , and never once did a bit of forward planning, and never once in 15 years heard anything at all ever about state pension age increasing.

On what grounds did you ever decide your SPA was 60? Did you ever get any letter saying you would get your pension from age 60? How did you ever work out how much money you would have each week/month in your retirement? You clearly did find your way to the Internet, so did you never once think about typing "How much pension will I get" into Google?

Figgerty

missbiggles1 wrote: »

When you were in your 40s?

Anyway, as was mentioned earlier, the 1993 budget was covered thoroughly on TV and radio news (it always is) so the information was hard to miss, even for Daily Mail readers.

Yes, even in my forties. I still watch soaps & dramas on TV and I'm 62. I have never been a fan of the Daily Mail. I didn't have access to the internet then and could not use a computer. You sound a little like a 10 year old who thinks mobile phones have always existed.

Figgerty

colsten wrote: »

I am truly shocked that any woman of my generation who was lucky enough to work and live in the UK would admit that they didn't read serious newspapers, watched the soaps every night and discussed TV, soap stars, pop songs, holidays etc. , and never once did a bit of forward planning, and never once in 15 years heard anything at all ever about state pension age increasing.

On what grounds did you ever decide your SPA was 60? Did you ever get any letter saying you would get your pension from age 60? How did you ever work out how much money you would have each week/month in your retirement? You clearly did find your way to the Internet, so did you never once think about typing "How much pension will I get" into Google?

I never said that I did not know about the 1995 Act increase in SPA.

Even today, not everybody buys serious newspapers.

I did eventually find my way to the internet, else I would not be writing this but I did not have the expertise or technology until it was almost too late to save extra to make up for the delayed SP, 1995 Act. With the 2011 Act changes I explained in a previous post why I was unaware of the additional delay until 2015.

Perhaps you are better educated than me or just more enlightened.

POPPYOSCAR

colsten wrote: »

I am truly shocked that any woman of my generation who was lucky enough to work and live in the UK would admit that they didn't read serious newspapers, watched the soaps every night and discussed TV, soap stars, pop songs, holidays etc. , and never once did a bit of forward planning, and never once in 15 years heard anything at all ever about state pension age increasing.

On what grounds did you ever decide your SPA was 60? Did you ever get any letter saying you would get your pension from age 60? How did you ever work out how much money you would have each week/month in your retirement? You clearly did find your way to the Internet, so did you never once think about typing "How much pension will I get" into Google?

Do you realise how snobbish that sounds?


I was reading the financial times at the age of 15 that does not make me any better than anyone else.


My OH has never read a book in his life and never intends to, I read them all the time. He on the other hand is glued to all the political programmes and I on the other hand avoid them at all costs.


Everyone is different.


You really are coming across as rather pretentious.

colsten

POPPYOSCAR wrote: »

You really are coming across as rather pretentious.

What is pretentious about expecting grown up people to figure out how much money they will have once they stop working?

missbiggles1

Figgerty wrote: »

Yes, even in my forties. I still watch soaps & dramas on TV and I'm 62. I have never been a fan of the Daily Mail. I didn't have access to the internet then and could not use a computer. You sound a little like a 10 year old who thinks mobile phones have always existed.

Hardly - I'm older than you are! (And female)

Nobody had access to the internet in 1993 but virtually everybody had TV and radio, as you obviously did. Media coverage of the budget is very thorough every year and, IME, everybody watches it and reads about it, even if it's just to see how much a packet of fags has gone up.

You're making it sound as if you had to be some kind of intellectual giant if you watched the news or read a newspaper!

Pollycat

Figgerty wrote: »

NB. I do not want the 1995 Act to be reversed but I do want to have 10 years notice of the changes of the 2011 Act. This will benefit both men and women and is not an unreasonable request.

Like Poppyoscar and saver861, I too agree with this post.

missbiggles1 wrote: »

Except that you lose a lot of credibility by asking for something that's never going to happen and which large numbers of people don't support, like reversing the 1995 changes.

And this one.
Maybe if WASPI had not been so outrageous (imho) in their demands and had not kept changing their stance, many more people might have thrown their support in and the original debate might have carried more weight (and not had so much mis-information (and downright lies) bandied about).
Will be interesting to see how the debate on 1st Feb goes.

missbiggles1

Pollycat wrote: »

Like Poppyoscar and saver861, I too agree with this post.

And this one.
Maybe if WASPI had not been so outrageous (imho) in their demands and had not kept changing their stance, many more people might have thrown their support in and the original debate might have carried more weight (and not had so much mis-information (and downright lies) bandied about).
Will be interesting to see how the debate on 1st Feb goes.

I've refused to sign any petition and have argued strongly against WASPI's stance on a couple of forums because of this. Much of what they've said has been quite ludicrous and ignored essential facts (like the reduction in number of years required to achieve maximum SRP) and the amount of bandwagon jumping has been ridiculous.

Because of this, they may have shot themselves in the foot re the 2011 changes, although I hope not.

colsten

There have always been changes in the budget and in law that have very directly impacted how much money you have in your pocket. Until this petition started, I have never before heard that the changes are unacceptable because people didn't get personal letters about the changes.

For example, the basic rate tax rate in 1995 was 25%, and the personal allowance was £3,525. As you were never personally informed that the rate is now 20% and the personal allowance £10,600, should you still be paying the 1995-level of taxes? Of course you shouldn't.

I am still waiting for the ladies to explain why they thought their pension age would be 60 when they never got a letter saying it would be 60.

To tell me that this sounds pretentious does not answer the question - it just shows that there is no convincing answer.

Al.

My point too. They say they didn't get a letter telling them it had changed to 65, well, did you ever get a letter telling you it was 60? It's inconceivable that they were actively told something incorrect by DWP but the argument appears to rely on the fact they weren't gifted a personal illustration, almost on a constant basis.

Some, I have genuine sympathy with, but they're being drowned out by the chancers who are jumping on the "Me guv, no guv, I never received a thing guv, honest guv" middle class brigade, out for a quick payday and who have no excuse for occasionally wondering how they're going to fund life after work. The excuse, I was busy raising a family, is fast getting beyond a joke.

You mean going out to work is a breeze by comparison? And, what.. too busy to do nothing else for twelve hours a day, too busy to go out shopping, watch the news, chat with a mate, read the papers..? It has been in the social mainstream for twenty years that women will take their State Pension later and later. I have no doubt that some, a very small percentage, genuinely wouldn't know. Let's focus on them.