Sign the Petition for Womens state pension age going up unfair

atush

Nick_C wrote: »

Of course women get paid the same as men for doing the same job.

The average pay for women is less than average pay for men.

These facts do not contradict each other.

Sorry, but not true. Even in public service, men earn more than women doing the same (or equivalent) job.

saver861

jem16 wrote: »

Honestly if it wasn't so tragic, it would be funny.

Have you thought about starting a war on waspi petition or something such like?

Their support is growing, the petition is continuing to gain more signatures, they are getting exposure at all levels of media.....

If they have got it so badly wrong then its being missed by an awful lot of folk out there ..... or those that think waspi have got it all totally wrong are not getting their message across.

Maybe its time for those against to change tact .... the current one ain't working it seems.

Still, living in hope it will be all over one way or another in time to come, waspi will have flown their nests and be no more. Those that have been stung will hopefully have taken sufficient antihistamine.....

Till then though, I guess nothing much will change ....... the repetition will be repeated .... repeatedly ......

ah well ....

jem16

saver861 wrote: »

Have you thought about starting a war on waspi petition or something such like?

They don't need any help on starting wars from me I'm afraid - they're managing that all by themselves.

Their support is growing, the petition is continuing to gain more signatures, they are getting exposure at all levels of media.....

If they have got it so badly wrong then its being missed by an awful lot of folk out there ..... or those that think waspi have got it all totally wrong are not getting their message across.

Their petition, whilst a good set of numbers, represents less than 4% of women born in the 1950s. Not all of these signatures are 1950s women or even their relatives for that matter.

As to the message, as more and more evidence comes to light as to what was available in respect of the 1995 Act, many are seeing the Waspi "ask" in its true light. People are beginning to question the "evidence" and coming to the conclusion it's not quite all it seems. Attacking those who could have offered good support is simply not on.

Call me old-fashioned if you like, but I prefer people to be honest and not simply be lured in by the attraction of compensation.

Of course this doesn't bode well for those that really need the help - ie those in severe hardship and those 1953 and 1954 ladies who have borne the brunt of the acceleration with not enough notice. They are in danger of being lost in the quagmire I'm afraid.

Anyone born early 1953 has already started their state pension. Anyone born after November 1956 has had 10 years notice as their spa was already 2021 courtesy of the 1995 Act. So rather than asking to put all 1950s ( or those in their 50s depending on which version of the ask you're going along with ) women back into the same position as if they were born before 1950, it would have been sensible to concentrate on the women most disadvantaged and on the 2011 Act.

Sticking your head in the sand for 20 years and expecting to be compensated for it is just not on.

Maybe its time for those against to change tact .... the current one ain't working it seems.

You may well be surprised what is working.

Figgerty

If the Government & the DWP Select Committee say there should be 10 years notice of a change in state pension age and agree this is fair, why is the 2011 Act taking effect before that 10 years has expired. The women effected by the 2011 Act have already had to wait an extra 5 years for their state pension are being treated so unfairly by yet a further wait.

DWP, Be fair to all and give 10 years notice,

jem16

Figgerty wrote: »

The women effected by the 2011 Act have already had to wait an extra 5 years for their state pension are being treated so unfairly by yet a further wait.

DWP, Be fair to all and give 10 years notice,

That will be those born between 6th April 1953 and November 1956.

Figgerty

patanne wrote: »

The stated aim of that group is to compensate all women whose state pension age became over 60 with every penny they did not receive. When this discussion overrides any other points made in parliament (which it will) the women who really had too short notice to compensate themselves (ie not be compensated by others) due to the 2011 changes will be the ones who are really disadvantaged. It is a badly worded petition designed by people who didn't manage to figure out in 20 years that their SPA had changed. So yet more attempts at legislation to protect those who make absolutely no attempt to keep up!

I don't suppose many of these women were educated past 15/16 years old and many carried out menial jobs with little or no access to computers until recently. Not many would have bought the Telegraph or the Guardian to 'keep up' and would have spent all their time bringing up a family and trying to survive.

The #Waspi group may have asked for the 1995 Act changes to be reversed and if so, they could teach our Prime Minister how to negotiate on remaining in the EU. Demands are rarely met but if you ask for little you are likely to get even less.

I think the #Waspi women have done amazingly well to get the country talking about them and their campaign.

Good luck to them. :T

saver861

jem16 wrote: »

Their petition, whilst a good set of numbers, represents less than 4% of women born in the 1950s. Not all of these signatures are 1950s women or even their relatives for that matter.

Thats a good calculator then ... given that there is no data in relation to the petition on gender or date of birth for signatories.

By the time they take away all those that are not women, not 1950's women, signatures who done so under false impression, those that mistyped, those that ...

Actually, I heard there was only one and a half valid signatures ....

atush

Waspi support is growing because some people want the money WASPI proposes they get.

Greed mainly.

There is no way at all, ever, that the 1995 act would be repealed, or compensation paid. That is What WASPI wants and has asked for, and what the greedy punters want.

What Might come about, is something for those disadvantaged by the 2011 act.

Goldiegirl

Figgerty wrote: »

I don't suppose many of these women were educated past 15/16 years old and many carried out menial jobs with little or no access to computers until recently. Not many would have bought the Telegraph or the Guardian to 'keep up' and would have spent all their time bringing up a family and trying to survive.

T

A slightly patronising few of the average 1950's woman, but even if a woman (or man, for that matter) left school as early as possible did menial jobs, never learned how to use a computer, and didn't read broadsheet newspapers, it's not an excuse to bury your head in the sand and take no interest in the world.

All the changes were widely reported on the news when they happened, and were reported in the papers, not just the Telegraph and the Guardian. You didn't need to be middle class to know about the changes in the state pension age.

Figgerty

dunstonh wrote: »

That is not correct.
The increase from 65 to 66 is the area that had little notice for some and that is what the petition should focus on. It does not though and that is why so many won't sign it.

You are forgetting that the Coalition Government escalated the changes of the 1995 Act in the 2011 Act. My original SPA was the historical 60, unchanged from 1940, then it was changed to 63¾, then to 65½. To give me 10 years notice of SPA change would mean reverting to the age quoted in the 1995 Act.