ONS finds young men now earn less than young women

epm-84

Huffington_Post wrote:

Figures compiled by the Press Association have shown that between the ages of 22 and 29, a woman will typically earn £1,111 more per annum than her male counterparts. Using data from the Office for National Statistics (ONS), PA analysed the comparative earnings of men and women between 2006 and 2013.

The situation is radically different for workers in their 30s. A man turning 30 in 2006 would have brought in on average £8,775 more than a woman of the same age.

The Government believes that new statistics show that the gender pay gap has been virtually eliminated for women under 40 and has decreased for all women over 40 in full-time employment.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/12/16/gender-pay-gap-has-disapp_n_8819354.html?utm_hp_ref=uk-politics&ir=UK+Politics

tomtontom

Whatever the government believes, the figures still show an average pay gap of approx 10%. Women are also more likely to be underemployed and/ or in part time work (sometimes by choice, sometimes not). There are lots of issues here that simply cannot be addressed by statistics.

epm-84

tomtontom wrote: »

Whatever the government believes, the figures still show an average pay gap of approx 10%. Women are also more likely to be underemployed and/ or in part time work (sometimes by choice, sometimes not). There are lots of issues here that simply cannot be addressed by statistics.

The people who want to argue there's inequality used selected statistics to try and put their point across. Emma Watson who happily calls herself a feminist but got criticised by certain women calling themselves feminists after she said men can be better feminists as they are more bothered about equality than just complaining about certain instances where women are worst off and I think she was right to say that.

Johnnytwostep

Emma Watson cant be a feminist, shes hot.

System

Maybe due to the young generally being in more rubbish jobs, therefore the effect of career vs children is less

Johnnytwostep

or men, just like a fine wine, get better with age, and are worth more money.

breaking_free

MatthewAinsworth wrote: »

Maybe due to the young generally being in more rubbish jobs, therefore the effect of career vs children is less

There may well be some truth in this. After all, how much pay difference is there between two people stacking shelves at Sainsbury's? It's only when people's careers take off then one of them gets professionally hobbled by taking time out to mind children that the gap kicks in.

epm-84

Johnnytwostep wrote: »

Emma Watson cant be a feminist, shes hot.

And that's the one of the problems with the way people see feminists - people see them as angry rebellious types who want to protest and argue about how they are worst off, not someone who would sit down and have a constructive conversation with you and would accept their better off in some respects, meaning it makes feminist sound like a negative word when it should be a positive one.

asajj

It has been discussed several times that statistics in this area not always very representative. Also not sure why you are ignoring these :

And new report by the Chartered Management Institute (CMI) said that the gender pay gap in full-time management and professional roles increases as women age, from 6 per cent for 26 to 35-year-olds, to 20 per cent for 36 to 45-year-olds.

The minister didn’t specify which statistics he was relying on, but one analysis this autumn reported that women in their 20s have reversed the gender pay gap, while stressing their earning power is still overtaken by men later in life.

epm-84

asajj wrote: »

It has been discussed several times that statistics in this area not always very representative. Also not sure why you are ignoring these :

I didn't quote the whole article because a lot of it is political spin. The only useful information in the second quote effectively repeats what is in the original post.

The ONS is a government department so presumably have all the details of employees paying tax. The CMI is a private organisation which will only likely to have salary details of people who choose to let them know what their salaries are in response to a survey, so like you said in your own post statistics are not always very representative, which is likely to be especially true of the CMI ones. The CMI stats are effectively equivalent to a pre-election poll in one county and the ONS ones are equivalent to actual polling day votes across the whole country.

Johnnytwostep

epm-84 wrote: »

And that's the one of the problems with the way people see feminists - people see them as angry rebellious types who want to protest and argue about how they are worst off, not someone who would sit down and have a constructive conversation with you and would accept their better off in some respects, meaning it makes feminist sound like a negative word when it should be a positive one.

I assume all feminists are single.