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Anyway, it doesn't matter - it's used in RL society a lot, around me, and doesn't bother me. So, whether I want more swearing or not, in the hope that it might become inoffensive for me in all situations, I hear it anyway and it's totally irrelevant to me. It's just broadcasting really that I have the problem with (and people occasionally saying things around children - or if it were shouted across a busy street, but then it never is so that's never caused any problem) - but I don't have problems in my own home really especially not when hearing alone. No problem at all with post-watershed unbleeped uncensored words. I still had problems with "censored" stuff even in the hour after 9pm when my father was there:rotfl:.

I think I must just have problems with that various replacement material, which isn't bleeping (though even bleeping did cause me offence when out in public in the gym - sorry I'm going back to this - it was that song called "Beep" by the !!!!!cat Dolls (stupid filter system:rotfl::rotfl:) and it turned out, years too late for me, that it was actually a parody on censorship and didn't have any offensive words in any original soundtrack at all. Unfortunately, I did not know that at the time it came over the radio and was played out in the gym with strangers around me. I missed the point about the song completely, was totally unaware of it at the time - and it just caused me offence by the end of all of it. I've realised now for several years that I had misunderstood it at the time. However, that's no defence: offence is often caused by misunderstanding.

It's not rational, logical or reasonable my offence. It just is. I still deserve adequate protection from it, just like any other member of the public and have no lesser (or greater) right to it than other members of the public. I don't know why I should be so woefully unprotected and actually the problem material for me is the ones that they are playing! It's become or became the biggest issue in my life - and the only thing I was having any problem with. Only censored so-called clean edits (because they are the ones they play more widely and seem to assume them to be okay. When they are not. And why are they not okay? :doh:Because every one of them, of the type I have described, causes me offence. It makes the songs problematic/they remain just as problematic as the uncensored version also, presumably, would have been had I heard that, but, again, it's all illogical/makes the songs more problematic than the uncensored versions because it draws attention to the words and, therefore, I find it problematic). And I have a problem and bugbear about every single one of the so-called "clean" versions, that uses altered sound material (I'm not talking about word replacement, e.g. using the word "very" instead as that's fine) and I definitely just disagree with and dispute their entire approach. They raise, when I hear them in such environments, so many issues for me, beyond the actual language and they have going over and through all of it, in my head, and yes it does bother me immensely.

Can people understand why I might have a problem with this? I'm not daft am I? Or maybe I am, to "allow" myself to be caused offence so much. But it's not always controllable - it's not within my emotional state - if something makes me uncomfortable, how am I to be totally okay with it? When it carries that meaning, completely irrelevant (unless it is a graphic description of something) what it means in the context of the phrase it's in btw (if it is such a description, then it's just more unacceptable, in those locations of listening with others around me), it's purely that it means a particular specific word, and merely whatever swearword comes to my mind, completely irrelevant the context or otherwise, what is relevant is purely that it means the word, whichever one I get from it, and of course numerous sometimes different ones at different points in the song, either the original word or, if not, then almost always the most 'severe' word for me that it possibly be in the context of the surrounding parts of the phrase it's in. The context is totally irrelevant - it's purely the individual word meant and that's my basis of my offence. The only context is that I am listening with strangers with me and that's the only context relevant to me. And it's not even in any funny context at all, as I am not laughing at it. It is pure offensive. There is no impact in which any phrases ever, in that form, come across as humorous.

I find it uncomfortable, or ultimately, whether or not it initially hits me, in that context. I don't want to make myself feel uncomfortable or be uncomfortable, but I just can't cope with it. The more it has been done, the worse it has become and now any tiny minor single alteration will automatically get to me. It will always have some meaning. The brain actually constantly searches for meaning and understand of the world around it - and that's part of the problem. Also there is the phoneme restoration effect, which explains the 'ineffectiveness' of it all. Or maybe it can be called "effective" in cases in which I don't get the original word from it. But then I get a worse one and get caused consistent offence with actually hearing a disguised version of the worse word that I am getting instead of the original minor or not-even swearword (for example, unbeknown, and importantly unbeknown, the words "weed", "drug", "bullet", etc., have all, I have later discovered - too late, after the offence has already happened - been taken out of songs. However, I've not got that from the censored song - instead I've got a far more explicit phrase - that I'm sure everyone around me would also get - and the radio edit has suggested worse and caused me consistent offence with that. Even when, obviously, at those points in the uncensored version, I would never have been caused offence had the original words been played out. They have, appearing to be, on every occasion, specific swearwords instead either caused me offence or contributed to causing me offence together with other material in the same song which has originally been where they were using a so-called swearword).

I did start to try to think "it's not as bad you think it is" as the "messages" I get from "clean" versions are not infrequently worse than the original word which I did not get. However, I haven't been able fully to convince myself, on all occasions, that I've not got what it really means and not be able to be comfortable. Besides, if that was required, then that complaint about the bleeped Panorama should never have been upheld and should have been dismissed with "well, you cannot possibly be sure that you did get it totally right". Anyway, on all occasions of course, the most 'severe' swearwords that they ever actually use in the original uncensored version always still come across on any censored version of the nature of which I have referred (i.e. not an acceptable reworded version). Although I don't even accept that any swearing really is "severe" or "strong" these days as they'll all pretty mild and the same neutrality when you're with your close friends. There is no "strong language". Well, apart from racism possibly. So, all those warnings on post-watershed that are not impartial but adopt a particular viewpoint and take that as if it were universally agreed... But then, :doh:, it only has to be "due" impartiality, I'm sure on this occasion, impartiality would not be deemed to be "due". When it suits:p:rotfl:. When it suits their own view of the world, that is suits the regulatory system. I don't accept anything without substantiation or without me challenging it these days. It seems about 80% of the public have been "conned" into accepting what the warnings constantly tell them to believe - and accept that the language still is "strong" language. Excessive or extreme? Beyond normal? Really?:huh: I'd have thought, in most places, it was totally normal now. And therefore doesn't meet the dictionary definitions of "strong" anymore. It's not "excessive" is it? It never can be in my view, after 9pm, unless it causes me offence - which it never does!

What do people mean by "excessive"? We'd find different people had lots of different views and were in disagreement, so I've no clue! Meanwhile, one single alteration sound is excessive for me when in the gym with strangers with me. Well, there are still some places in which you never swear at all. And across a gym room, heard across the entire room, is in my view one of them. (So, yes, in the gym, I would never swear at all. So it is completely taboo and a single one is wrong. Okay, the radio is technically not using it. But I'm not impressed - it is reminding me of the taboo and itself breaking it by doing that, because it's in effect the same thing as saying it and you can hear the signature sound. I would not even imply a swearword towards the staff by repeating similar to how the radio sounds. Anyway, it's irrelevant as it doesn't make me comfortable. I do not wish the taboo to be known, discussed, made clear or referred to in any way - and even reminding me of the taboo, I find it doing that uncomfortable. (When I'm in a gym with strangers and there I do not wish to know. I do not wish to be given any thought or reminder of it as I find that upsetting. And increasingly so the more it has happened. It is exactly identical to using the word. I note that BBC research in 2010 found that "only the 1% of people most likely to be offended... thought that bleeping was the same as the unbleeped word". Well, I am one of those people - and I deserve respect for my opinion. In fact, I don't consider it to be the same and therefore not in the 1%. Instead, I consider it to be worse*.) Clearly, if someone in the gym burst in and shouted it across the room the staff at the desk in the room would surely react to that? Therefore, clearly, it would not be allowed. Okay, that audience members in cinemas don't burst in and shout across the auditorium, yet the cinema film playing across the whole place may play out swearwords. However, that's a cinema and people are known or expected to have chosen the film to watch and be generally okay with it. I do not choose to go to a gym to hear music with perception of swearing from it and do not wish to do so. It's my right, I feel, to be able to avoid it - and without being made unable to even continue to be there in the first place.

Normally, I would reword the name of that artist, about the Cat Dolls, there, but didn't have any alternative that I could use. Again, it just reminds of a worse context and worse meaning of part of the word that would never be reminded of if the stupid computer didn't automatically pick out that and change it unnecessarily. It is unnecessary as the original word, by generally accepted consensus of society, is not offensive. And the computer is okay with me calling it "stupid". But, surely, after we have been reminded of the word for lady parts and had that context brought to our mind, totally unnecessarily and would never have happened had the original full name of the artist not been messed with, surely after that we would now be comfortable with seeing the full actual word even when used to describe lady parts? If not, then it's absolutely no sense - since you must surely have the same thought in your mind anyway - and why do you find the seeing of the actual word so offensive? I don't know what I can do to get the inoffensive name of the music act printed fully. I'm not using spaces or dots in between as that draws attention anyway and points out an offensive alternative meaning of the word. Besides that could be used to post the word in an offensive context to call someone, and yet the computer would not stop that abuse. So, the filter is all totally useless and doesn't prevent potential for abusive messages anyway.

*I think it's worse than actually saying it. There we are - I said it. The censored material is worse than actually saying a swearword. I find it worse and I find it offensive. And that is it. I do not have to have any reason for that. It doesn't help me I know - it doesn't help me to not be caused offence, so it's partly my perception, but then again all offence is down to perception. I am sure that if the actual word was broadcast and that someone complained of being caused offence by that, then it would be reasonable and the person would not be required to justify their own opinion that the word was offensive. Therefore, I do not have to justify it when it is the same thing, something that causes offence to me. Otherwise, why is my approach invalid and why are my opinions less valid than someone else's? (I almost find it, rationally fortunately rather than emotionally, offensive that my own opinions should then, if that is the case, be treated as less worthy than anyone else's.) I can be offended by anything I choose or do not choose. It does not have to be reasonable to you - or indeed to anyone. I never in fact choose offence. Who knows what past experiences I've had that something for me triggers? We never know. If someone in normal life asked you not to do something or not to behave in a particular way around them then, as a reasonable person, you would stop doing it and wouldn't ever do it again around them - or else if you were not kind and wished to be nasty to them, you would continue to do and choose, at that point then, you now aware of their problem with your behaviour, to continually cause them offence again and again and again. It is certainly not acceptable, especially, to me, when the offence is personally to me. I find the in-effect behaviour of the artists in the radio versions of these songs to be deeply problematic (when I am witnessing/hearing that when I'm in the company of other people) and to cause me so much concern and so much severe physical discomfort emotional offence, of up to about the most extreme level possible.

Anon

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

Why bother, go out in a bunny rabbit onesie and confuse everyone :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

If it were a little later in the day I would blend in with some of the weirder customers of my local ...

Anon

Tinyshoes

Mrs_stinkface wrote: »

Morning all. Are you awake??? Get online at boots quick. I've just put an order on and something weird is going on. There is an offer on when you purchase 2 luxury products. It's supposed to give you 500 points. I just got 66000 points when purchasing 2 clarins items!! I've just looked at other items in the offer and it's doing the same to them- for instance, 2 X liz Earle skin spritzers at £6 each are supposed to give 500 points. It's giving 24000!!!
No idea if they will honour it but I'm bloody well having a go!
Ps- their sale has started!
PPs - happy Christmas Eve! Xxxx

Thanks stinky. :T

I have bloody well given it a go too.

Was tempted to do a second order but don't think I would be able to keep a straight face handing a card over with nearly £1000 points if it's honoured. :eek:

Serendipitious

Anon wrote: »

The feeling you get as a parent on Christmas Eve when children have put very little on their letter to Santa apart from surprises ... and the fear that the surprises you have bought won't live up to expectations .

Anon

DGD has put 'a baby sister' on hers... bit tricky that one

Morning all! Happy Christmas Eve!

Ordered Liz Earle shower stuff as a treat but the 52,000 pts will be even more of a treat.

Have a nice day! xx

aau1

Do b00ts.com bonus point offers usually get picked up the same way on the instore tills?

Tinyshoes

aau1 wrote: »

Do b00ts.com bonus point offers usually get picked up the same way on the instore tills?

It did last week with the Beckham Homme products buy 2 and get 500 points.

I have checked but these are not included as a premium beauty product this time otherwise I would have given it a go.

Tinyshoes

Happy Christmas Eve one and all. :xmassign::santa2::xmastree::rudolf::xmassmile

remote90

Um Bongo is back to 64p in Mr.T. I don't have the MOC to hand but didn't it expire in January?

buyitall

Thank you for the Boots info - I ordered 2 of the sleep balm sets at £6.xx each, and 26.000 points were added. Has anyone worked out how the glitch is allocating the points? ps Happy Christmas Eve x

remote90

I hope Carlsberg still works today. Here's one of my shops from last night AvM

1x Swizzels Refreshers Chew Bar (SINGLE) £0.10 N/A
0.13x ASDA Loose Red Onion (order by number of onions or select kg) (PER KG) £0.10 £0.13
1x Haribo Starmix (1PK) £0.10 £0.10
1x Comfort Concentrate Blue Skies Fabric Conditioner 85 Washes (3LT) £5.97 £4.00
1x Carlsberg Lager (20X440) £12.00 £8.00
0.11x ASDA Grower's Selection Loose Onion (order by number of onions or select kg) (PER KG) £0.08 £0.08
0.12x ASDA Loose Carrot (order by number of carrots or select kg) (PER KG) £0.09 £0.14
1x Comfort Pure Fabric Conditioner 85 Wash (3LT) £5.97 £4.00
1x Barratt Flumps (12G) £0.10 £0.10
Comparison total (compared products only) £24.41 £16.55