In 70% of England you can buy the average terrace on minimium wage

ukcarper

lisyloo wrote: »

There are plenty of reports like this
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/constructionandproperty/11254164/Revealed-Londons-most-affordable-commuter-towns.html?frame=3118343
but note it really depends on where you are going to.
I notice that it says Reading to London 31 mins which takes some of my colleagues 2 hours (they don't work at Reading railways station and have to get across London from Paddington).
So let's say 20 mins walk to Reading, 5 mins wait, 5 mins walk to tube, 5 mins wait for tube, 30 mins tube, 10 mins walk + 31 mins train = 106 mins.

I know I keep banging on about this, but it really does all add up in London and that's on a good clear day with no delays, breakdowns, "jumpers" etc.
Hardly anyone lives/works next to both railway stations and if you need to get acrosss London in rush hour then you might need to add as much as 1 hour.

That might be true but even if you live in London you can still spend a considerable amount of time travelling.

michaels

lisyloo wrote: »

There are plenty of reports like this
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/constructionandproperty/11254164/Revealed-Londons-most-affordable-commuter-towns.html?frame=3118343
but note it really depends on where you are going to.
I notice that it says Reading to London 31 mins which takes some of my colleagues 2 hours (they don't work at Reading railways station and have to get across London from Paddington).
So let's say 20 mins walk to Reading, 5 mins wait, 5 mins walk to tube, 5 mins wait for tube, 30 mins tube, 10 mins walk + 31 mins train = 106 mins.

I know I keep banging on about this, but it really does all add up in London and that's on a good clear day with no delays, breakdowns, "jumpers" etc.
Hardly anyone lives/works next to both railway stations and if you need to get acrosss London in rush hour then you might need to add as much as 1 hour.

What tube line only has 5 minute frequency and 30 mins is a long journey.

My train is 31 minutes. 5 minute drive, 2 min wait, 31 min train, 3 min walk plus wait for tube, 7 min tube (4 stops), 2 min walk.

ukcarper

michaels wrote: »

What tube line only has 5 minute frequency and 30 mins is a long journey.

My train is 31 minutes. 5 minute drive, 2 min wait, 31 min train, 3 min walk plus wait for tube, 7 min tube (4 stops), 2 min walk.

You only have to go to a station like Woking in the morning to see that a large number of people think it's worth commuting.

Probably do Woking station to Bank underground station in 40min

mwpt

michaels wrote: »

What tube line only has 5 minute frequency and 30 mins is a long journey.

My train is 31 minutes. 5 minute drive, 2 min wait, 31 min train, 3 min walk plus wait for tube, 7 min tube (4 stops), 2 min walk.

My commute from zone 4 is (was):

8 minute walk to station
6-8 minute wait (I get there with plenty of time before next train because of overcrowding)
30 minute journey to London
5 minute walk to tube
5-10 minute wait for tube (crowds mean several trains can go past before I get on, unless I am before rush hour)
10 minutes on tube
5 minutes to desk

I'm usually seated at my desk 70-75 minutes after leaving home. I could shave off a bit of time by going earlier (which I do sometimes) so I don't have to arrive early at the first train station and don't have to wait for multiple tubes. The worst part of my journey is waiting for the overground train wondering if the freaking driver is going to overshoot the stopping point and make me miss it (too crowded) and wait another 15 minutes for the next. This is zone 4. The overcrowding is ridiculous.

Actually that should all read past tense for the moment because I left that job to do something else for a while. I'll be back in corporate life next year (probably) and back in the commuting scrum.

ukcarper

mwpt wrote: »

My commute from zone 4 is (was):

8 minute walk to station
6-8 minute wait (I get there with plenty of time before next train because of overcrowding)
30 minute journey to London
5 minute walk to tube
5-10 minute wait for tube (crowds mean several trains can go past before I get on, unless I am before rush hour)
10 minutes on tube
5 minutes to desk

I'm usually seated at my desk 70-75 minutes after leaving home. I could shave off a bit of time by going earlier (which I do sometimes) so I don't have to arrive early at the first train station and don't have to wait for multiple tubes. The worst part of my journey is waiting for the overground train wondering if the freaking driver is going to overshoot the stopping point and make me miss it (too crowded) and wait another 15 minutes for the next. This is zone 4. The overcrowding is ridiculous.

Actually that should all read past tense for the moment because I left that job to do something else for a while. I'll be back in corporate life next year (probably) and back in the commuting scrum.

One of the advantages of moving out a bit is you will get a seat on train. My local station 40m to Waterloo and train nearly always has empty seats.

Blacklight

Driverless vehicles are the answer to so many problems.

andrewmp

cells wrote: »

And remember this is for the average terrace in the region. If people on min wage are buying the average terrace who will buy the terraces in the cheaper parts of the region and the flats in the region?

BTL investors, let to the unemployed.

cells

andrewmp wrote: »

BTL investors, let to the unemployed.

only 5% of the population are unemployed and a number of them must be in the social sector and a number of unemployed will be with a partner who is employed so they need not support so its not that large a market for landlords to go out and look for a purely unemployed person or family. It exists but it is below 5%

lisyloo

ukcarper wrote: »

That might be true but even if you live in London you can still spend a considerable amount of time travelling.

If you are deliberately choosing a location for your job i.e. The same side of London, then I don't see why you should be spending a considerable amount of time travelling.

If your job has moved after you've purchased or (like me) you work on the other ride of London from your partner then I agree it can the a long time to get around at peak times - my 3 mile commute takes about 1 hour on the bus and the door -> chair time isn't that much different by tube, cycling, walking (I'm calling it door -> chair because cycling involves getting changed and often showering).

normally though, you'd pick somewhere close to where you work -at least the right side of town

ukcarper

lisyloo wrote: »

If you are deliberately choosing a location for your job i.e. The same side of London, then I don't see why you should be spending a considerable amount of time travelling.

If your job has moved after you've purchased or (like me) you work on the other ride of London from your partner then I agree it can the a long time to get around at peak times - my 3 mile commute takes about 1 hour on the bus and the door -> chair time isn't that much different by tube, cycling, walking (I'm calling it door -> chair because cycling involves getting changed and often showering).

normally though, you'd pick somewhere close to where you work -at least the right side of town

The same can be said about commuting if you choose where you commute from in relation to where in town you work.