Hardworking=high earning

System

Also cutting public spending cuts jobs...

tomtontom

MatthewAinsworth wrote: »

I agree stugib, saw that angry woman ranting at amber Rudd, she voted Tory and is losing tax credits, I've always regarded what the Tories try to do as helping the rich with the view that crumbs will fall off the table, however I think many people think they're rich and would benefit from Tory policy more than they actually would, or they're emotionally vulnerable to right wing rhetoric. People see the benefit scroungers easily but they don't see the billionaire scroungers so much, they're more afraid of penalising the rich. The right has successfully divided the working poor from the benefit poor while they fight over scraps

I picked up use of the terminology with tax thresholds though, and I think even unskilled work deserves to be called 'hard' work, supply and demand would have their wages lower but min wage has to be better than the benefits system otherwise people won't bother

I also think riding the property meerkat is a much better way to make Monet

I wouldn't put the angry lady you refer to in the hard work category, she sits at home doing nails for zero profit. She is exactly the type of "worker" that has caused such drastic cuts.

Takeaway_Addict

MatthewAinsworth wrote: »

I agree stugib, saw that angry woman ranting at amber Rudd, she voted Tory and is losing tax credits, I've always regarded what the Tories try to do as helping the rich with the view that crumbs will fall off the table, however I think many people think they're rich and would benefit from Tory policy more than they actually would, or they're emotionally vulnerable to right wing rhetoric. People see the benefit scroungers easily but they don't see the billionaire scroungers so much, they're more afraid of penalising the rich. The right has successfully divided the working poor from the benefit poor while they fight over scraps

I picked up use of the terminology with tax thresholds though, and I think even unskilled work deserves to be called 'hard' work, supply and demand would have their wages lower but min wage has to be better than the benefits system otherwise people won't bother

I also think riding the property meerkat is a much better way to make Monet

Labour lost because they could not convince the public that they were the better option on the economy....simple.

FBaby

I believe lower paid people work harder than those who are higher paid. It's some psychological thing to make higher paid people feel good if they're told they're "hard working".

'Working harder' usually involves 'thinking more' and thinking is much more demanding, stressful, tiring than being physically active. The higher level of thinking, ie. planning, organising, assessing risk etc... the more demanding it is.

Hard work starts at primary school, the difference between doing your homework vs playing on the xbox, that is chosing (or being forced to chose!) what is much less rewarding in the present, but expected to be so in the future. It goes on for many years like this before it does pay off, when it does.

stugib

tomtontom wrote: »

I wouldn't put the angry lady you refer to in the hard work category, she sits at home doing nails for zero profit. She is exactly the type of "worker" that has caused such drastic cuts.

Mother of 4 who became a single mum starting her own business was the reason behind needing to make drastic benefit cuts? Can't have that kind of thing unless they make £100000 a year profit from year one can we?

Thought the Tories were the party of entrepreneurs and self-starters? Or was there another reason Cameron lied through his teeth saying he wasn't going to touch Tax Credits?

FBaby

Mother of 4 who became a single mum starting her own business

These very few words already don't go together. Starting a business used to be something that required a lot of dedication, hard work, sleepless night, ie. something that wasn't much compatible with looking after a large family on your own.

Of course, that was when to be able to get going, you had to take a bank loan and therefore faced the risk of failure to get the business going. Now that you can put little time into it - which means that the chance of the business becoming successful has been reduced significantly - but not have to worry because tax payers are taking the risk of your business never making any profit, that's all fine.

takman

I think a lot of people underestimate the management teams at where they work and just assume they don't do enough to justify their wages.

A good example is where I work we manufacture precision products in small batches. Last year we were only getting 60% on time delivery and not hitting sales or profit targets. Now this year we have a new site manager. And now we are at 98% on time delivery consistantly and sales and profit are on the rise. We still have the same staff working just as hard but now targets are being hit because of a good manager who definetly earns his wage.

System

I think the problem for the low paid therefore is that even though what they do requires a lot of physical work, it's not valued work/ not value adding, and if there wasn't such an oversupply of labour it wouldn't be done at all, in thos world of labour saving devices, computing and robotics were doing pinicity work that nobody bothered with a few hundred years ago, the demand for labour is not enough to support the living costs of the population. However if youre going to have a benefit system, poor wages must be kept above what benefits people receive, so people work and aren't too much of a cost.

When the gov says migrants need a sponser earning x amount (25k?), its saying that in the governments eyes anyone earning less is a liability