Anyone know about 'Manorial Rights'

Weave

Hi


I am selling my 35 year old home and the buyers solicitor has asked me to confirm there are no 'Manorial rights' attached to the property or pay for an indemnity policy. This issue was not raised when I purchased the house 3 years ago in 2012.


Having done a bit of research I have found that in October 2013 if no rights had been registered against the property at the land registry then when it is sold after this date any unregistered manorial rights will be lost. I have had no letters from land registry telling me rights have been registered on the house.

Is this correct? If so why is the buyers solicitor asking for an indemnity policy as the cost for the policy has been quoted at £312!!


Anyone know about these manorial rights??


I don't seem to be able to get quotes for an indemnity myself. Anyone know if £312 could be improved on?


I have told the buyer to pay for the indemnity policy themselves if they want it but have not yet had a reply to this suggestion.


Thanks very much.

CathA

Pretty much the same thing happened to us. We had a big thing about manorial and mineral rights being registered against our house when we sold it. If it isn't registered by October 2013 it can't be put in after that date.

Google insurance policies re manorial rights, we had the indemnity policies on 2 of the houses we owned and sold on, they were about £30 if I recall, £312 is ridiculous.

G_M

Weave wrote: »

Hi


I am selling my 35 year old home and the buyers solicitor has asked me to confirm there are no 'Manorial rights' attached to the property or pay for an indemnity policy. .

So what is stopping you from confirming that there are no 'Manorial rights' attached to the property?

Are you doing your own conveyancing?

Weave

I am paying a conveyancer to do the paperwork, it's just painfully slow trying to get them to reply to questions.

Apparently the buyers conveyancer has said there is a reference to manorial rights in the title but I have not seen this in the paperwork I retained from my purchase 3 years ago. I am now trying to obtain this document as it may invalidate the October 2013 law change for this property.

Regarding buying an indemnity myself I have yet to find any insurers that will deal with the public direct. For this type of indemnity policy I am only finding insurers that will only quote for conveyance or legal firms. Anyone know where I might be able to get a policy for less than the £312 quoted by my conveyancer??

G_M

Weave wrote: »

....Anyone know where I might be able to get a policy for less than the £312 quoted by my conveyancer??

A different conveyancer?

But if someone has registered the rights since 2013,would an indemnity policy be possible/valid?

Surely that's like getting a diagnosis of cancer and then taking out a health insurance to cover you for cancer....?

Before making any decisions or taking any action, you need to establish the current position: either the property Title has, or has not, got Manorial Rights registered against it - you seem unclear.

This issue was not raised when I purchased the house 3 years ago in 2012.

I have had no letters from land registry telling me rights have been registered on the house.

the buyers conveyancer has said there is a reference to manorial rights in the title but I have not seen this in the paperwork I retained from my purchase 3 years ago.

Have you got the current Title? If your conveyancer is slow, pay £3 to the LR and get it instantly!

Weave

I have a document entitled 'Official copy of register of title' but it is very basic and has paragraphs A, B and C. It references 'rights reserved by the transfer dated 2 November 1990 referred to in the charges register' and when I look at paragraph C titled 'Charges Register' it refers to restrictive covenants but does not detail them as it says 'NOTE: Copy in Certificate'.


It looks like the there are documents missing so I will go back to my conveyancer for advice.......yet more delays!!

Weave

Scratch the above reply...there are two titles and I was looking at the wrong one. The back garden had a bit added to it from the local school some years ago and I was reading the title for that small bit of land!


Now I am looking at the correct document I have found a reference to manorial rights in paragraph C. It says -


'all chief quit and other rents or any manorial incidents (if any) remaining extinguished and all easements affecting the same.'


This does not state that manorial rights have been registered at Land Registry so I can fall back on the October 2013 law change, can I not?? Thoughts please?

G_M

'all chief quit and other rents or any manorial incidents (if any) remaining extinguished and all easements affecting the same.'


This does not state that manorial rights have been registered at Land Registry so I can fall back on the October 2013 law change, can I not?? Thoughts please?

I'm afraid I find that quote hard to interpret. Is that exactly what it says? and is that what it says in full?

Perhaps Richard will be along to interpret, but it appears to state that the Manorial Rights are extinguished, which I interpret as removed, implying they were recorded against the Title but no longer are. What is the date of that entry?

Land_Registry

Hi there

For your info please see this article on ' Historical Rights' published on GOV.uk which include Manorial Rights. Note the effect of the change in the law in October 2013 and the Land Registry's role.

G_M

Land_Registry_representative wrote: »

Hi there

For your info please see this article on ' Historical Rights' published on GOV.uk which include Manorial Rights. Note the effect of the change in the law in October 2013 and the Land Registry's role.

First time ever I've not found one of your posts helpful!

I've read the link you provide - it adds very little information.

What's needed is an explation of the wording recorded in your register (specifically the property's Charges Register):

'all chief quit and other rents or any manorial incidents (if any) remaining extinguished and all easements affecting the same.'

This is not a request for legal advice, or even legal interpretation, simply an explanation of what is meant by what you have inserted into rh register.

agrinnall

G_M wrote: »

This is not a request for legal advice, or even legal interpretation, simply an explanation of what is meant by what you have inserted into rh register.

The thing is I think it could be a legal interpretation that's required, as it's surely possible that the line has been inserted by a previous buyer's solicitor rather than by the LR, so they may have no idea what it means either.