Suggestions of an EU treasury and common wage policy EU wide

mayonnaise

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

However as I have repeatedly pointed out, the UK has secured exceptions to this direction of travel in key opt-out areas and we cannot be forced to give them up.

For most of the key areas, we can choose to join in as and when it is to our advantage to do so, and we don't have to join in if it is not to our advantage.

And this has been reinforced by Juncker's speech today;

Juncker wrote:

To be fair to the UK, part of this deal will be to recognise the reality that not all Member States participate in all areas of EU policy. Special Protocols define the position of the UK, for instance in relation to the euro and to Justice and Home Affairs. To be fair to the other Member States, the UK's choices must not prevent them from further integration where they see fit.

Which kind of invalidates all the scaremongering about the UK or any other member state being forced into anything regarding closer union.

Graham_Devon

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

The direction of travel is towards a United States of Europe.

Yes I know - that's what I said.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

mayonnaise wrote: »

Which kind of invalidates all the scaremongering about the UK.

Yes of course....

But sadly some people really are ignorant enough of the facts to believe the scare-mongering.

michaels

Umm - so we can opt in to more Europe if it makes sense for the UK - can we also then opt out of things that might have been to our advantage when we opted in but no longer are, or where public opionion has changed so we no longer wish to take part? (You know, the way we do with democracy at the moment where things can change in either direction?)

How would a common minimum wage and pension rules work with very different national incomes and demographic structures?

chewmylegoff

Graham_Devon wrote: »

And the EU will stop there, right?

I mean, they wouldn't do this in the first place....but now they are suggesting it, it's OK, as it's only the same jobs in the same places and that will never be expanded upon.

Hows that going to go down with the banks then?

The whole speech is about ever closer union. The path towards full union.

Think outside of what has been said. You have to start somewhere and it would be foolish to imagine that the EU will do this and nothing more. Once they have the same pay in the same jobs in the same place, there will clearly be a case for the same pay of all types of jobs. Otherwise you end up in a clearly bizarre situation where you lose out or benefit should your company operate across EU states.

I'm not going to argue with you on this one, as your stance is very clear. You will welcome literally anything the EU do.

All I'd ask is that you bear in mind the direction. The direction of travel is exactly what you have said over the years wouldn't happen.

The EU is not going to force all countries to harmonise pay as it would either result in the economic destruction of Eastern Europe by massively increasing the cost of labour for all employers there, or minimum wage in Western Europe being reduced to £1 an hour placing large swathes of those countries into instant poverty.

However, either way,if the EU were to implement this it would instantly result in a massive outflow of unskilled immigrants from the UK as why would you want to live in overcrowded housing in London serving people in pret a manger Canary wharf when you could be earning the same in your home town with a cost of living 95% lower.

Therefore I can't understand why you are not fully supportive of such a policy given your stance on immigration.

Thrugelmir

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Junker has today, on the back of the migrant crisis announced the plans for the EU. They include, crucially, an EU treasury and a common wage policy, meaning jobs pay the same across the EU.

What's new? This has always been the direction of a federal Europe.
Seems as if the EU will be setting the talking points for the referendum ahead. Should focus minds clearly.

wotsthat

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Mission creep. That's what I'd take from this policy - and clearly you do too.

It's now mission creep is it? A couple of posts ago it was a definite plan to introduce a EU wide minimum wage that was going to have massive implications on the UK economy.

There will never be an EU wide minimum wage.

CLAPTON

as there is no proposal on the table, the detail is not particularly relevant.

what is important is the kite flying for the direction of travel.


it would, e.g. be inconceivable that there could be compulsory settlement of migrants without the individual countries consent.

Thrugelmir

wotsthat wrote: »

There will never be an EU wide minimum wage.

Europe will standardise many thing given a chance. The influx of refugees is going to change the face of Europe.