UK failing it's young as gulf grows between generations

fussypensioner

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Once more, boomers who have enjoyed a lifetime of handouts and unearned income rejoice when funding is cut from the young and the vulnerable. Meanwhile they delight at the prospect of bumper pensions , sky high housing prices, and a whole raft of non means tested state benefits.

The fact this is wrapped up as some kind of life lesson gift is very disappointing.

ALL of the people I know who are boomers have never enjoyed a lifetime of handouts. they have worked hard and SAVED for their pensions. So, show me the proof of your generalised rant.

ukcarper

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Once more, boomers who have enjoyed a lifetime of handouts and unearned income rejoice when funding is cut from the young and the vulnerable. Meanwhile they delight at the prospect of bumper pensions , sky high housing prices, and a whole raft of non means tested state benefits.

The fact this is wrapped up as some kind of life lesson gift is very disappointing.

As I've said before you should really seek some help.

ukcarper

ess0two wrote: »

I spent a week in the sales office of my employer, it taught me about customer service and the consequence of not getting products to customers.
At the time I thought what does this have to do with me as a budding chemical engineer, it taught me the consequence of plant downtime and outages and the consequence of mine and others actions.

My comapanies apprenticeship was very good although we didn't spend time is sales we spent the first 18 months in different parts of the company even in areas we were not expected to work in but this gave us a good understanding of how the buisness worked.

ess0two

Biggest issue nowadays is uni.


Only clever kids went when I left school, seems anyone and everyone gets a place now.


Other than law, medicine, engineering the majority are wasting time and effort.

ruggedtoast

ukcarper wrote: »

As I've said before you should really seek some help.

I think you should return your bus pass and donate your winter fuel payment to charity.

fussypensioner

ruggedtoast wrote: »

I think you should return your bus pass and donate your winter fuel payment to charity.

Some of us do already. Perhaps you don't realise the reason for getting winter fuel payment - its because we have to stay at home in the winter. People who work have the benefit of their employers paying to keep them warm all day. As for bus passes, this is useful as a lot of us can't afford a car. I'm sure that eventually you will understand.

Sapphire

ukcarper wrote: »

I wonder how modern apprenticeships compare to those of the 60s and 70s. I did an apprenticeship in telecommunications in the 60s this involved time a technical collage which in telecoms was entirely theory no practical work. The practical side being on the job and company owned training schools. The company funded my training up to degree level paying for courses and giving me day release. How many companies would be prepared to do that now?

Except that for many jobs you don't actually need to be trained to degree level, and to have day release to do this. You can learn to do many jobs very well by starting from the bottom and learning from others. I started out in publishing with few even office skills, and relished learning everything new – even how to use office equipment and maintain proper storage systems, let alone how to put complex books together. I progressed to managerial level with responsibility for more than 30 people and a budget of millions. (You do have to work extremely hard and to make sacrifices, though, to get anywhere in life, as I know from experience!)

I have done diplomas in history and archaeology while working, but that was at my own expense and for personal development rather than for my job (though the diplomas did actually help the jobs as well).

ukcarper

ruggedtoast wrote: »

I think you should return your bus pass and donate your winter fuel payment to charity.

Is that the best you can come up with. I don't know what your parents did to upset you, but as I realise not all young people (I'm not convinced you are that young) have a big chip on their shoulder you should realise not all older people as you describe.

ukcarper

Sapphire wrote: »

Except that for many jobs you don't actually need to be trained to degree level, and to have day release to do this. You can learn to do many jobs very well by starting from the bottom and learning from others. I started out in publishing with few even office skills, and relished learning everything new – even how to use office equipment and maintain proper storage systems, let alone how to put complex books together. I progressed to managerial level with responsibility for more than 30 people and a budget of millions. (You do have to work extremely hard and to make sacrifices, though, to get anywhere in life, as I know from experience!)

I have done diplomas in history and archaeology while working, but that was at my own expense and for personal development rather than for my job (though the diplomas did actually help the jobs as well).

I agree but we seem to have ended up in the position where you now need a degree for a job you could have got with a few O levels. In the past the majority of companies were prepared to shoulder some of the cost of training their employees now it seems fewer are.

Sapphire

ukcarper wrote: »

Is that the best you can come up with. I don't know what your parents did to upset you, but as I realise not all young people (I'm not convinced you are that young) have a big chip on their shoulder you should realise not all older people as you describe.

He is always like this. I get the sense that perhaps he was adopted and didn't have the benefits of the type of grandparents and parents I had when I was growing up. I don't think I've ever come across such vicious and misinformed ramblings. It would explain a lot – and would go some way towards explaining why he writes the things he does.