Train Fine

TrulyMadly

Is there any point in arguing over a £50 fine for having your feet up on a train seat opposite you........please don't lecture:o:D
It's Merseyrail if that helps:o
Just wondering if it's worth paying or putting together a reasoned argument re non display of by-laws

Thanks in advance for your help

pogofish

I thought the best way to deal with a train fine was always to give them a false name and address?

wealdroam

Was there no sign saying "please keep your feet off the seats", or something similar?

Maybe like this:



It's getting close to a lecture, but do you really need a sign to say "please keep your feet off the seats"?

TrulyMadly

wealdroam wrote: »

Was there no sign saying "please keep your feet off the seats", or something similar?

It's getting close to a lecture, but do you really need a sign to say "please keep your feet off the seats"?

I agree entirely wealdroam:o
But it wasn't me:o

cookie365

£50 bye-law fine beats a conviction for criminal damage.

esuhl

cookie365 wrote: »

£50 bye-law fine beats a conviction for criminal damage.

I think it would be hard to prove that someone putting their feet on a seat had caused criminal damage. Even if it could be, the cost to repair the damage caused would be minimal and a prosecution would risk being labelled "frivolous".

cookie365

esuhl wrote: »

I think it would be hard to prove that someone putting their feet on a seat had caused criminal damage. Even if it could be, the cost to repair the damage caused would be minimal and a prosecution would risk being labelled "frivolous".

Why? The criminal damage consists of the detritus transferred from shoes to seat material, and the cost to repair is cleaning costs which when not done as part of a regular maintenance will be more than minimal.

Owain_Moneysaver

but the train company would have to show that they did do a special clean of the seat in question.

However this is not a claim for compensation, it's a fine.

esuhl

cookie365 wrote: »

Why? The criminal damage consists of the detritus transferred from shoes to seat material, and the cost to repair is cleaning costs which when not done as part of a regular maintenance will be more than minimal.

And you think that would justify a court case funded by the public, in which the cost of the damage (if any) was assessed and ordered to be paid by the defendant?!

Owain_Moneysaver wrote: »

However this is not a claim for compensation, it's a fine.

Exactly. No point trying to work out how much damage has actually been caused (if any).

ic

For me it isn't about the "damage" - but rather the next person gets on the train and sits where somebody have had their dirty shoes perched - especially on a wet day! Nice to see a train company being proactive about this.

daivid

Shoes on or off? I doubt it makes any difference in the wording of the fine, but I've often taken my shoes off to stretch out on a long journey in a sparsely populated carriage (a rarity these days perhaps) and can't see the harm, my socks are as clean as the seat of my trousers.