The Budget

BobQ

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Public sector is very inefficient compared to the private operationally. Be a combination of restructuring, outsourcing and investment in technology.

I agree. The following is an interesting analysis:

http://www.nao.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Central-government-staff-costs.pdf

kabayiri

A lot of government roles were also outsourced from the days of New Labour.

There is potentially room to squeeze these suppliers on rates.

If the government is serious on addressing the challenges they should look to all areas for savings.

Mistermeaner

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33399650

Go for it George this is what we voted for. Why on earth the snp get a quote in this story is a mystery. They can implement special taxes in Scotland and nett the cuts back.

Labour oh dear. Unions have backed a nutter for leadership - great news for the tories. Have those idiots learned nothing from the milliband disaster.

hardnutman

Regarding the social rents, what happens if you work in London but commute from outside?

For example somebody earning £30k and paying £4k to commute into London. Will they now also have the increase to "market rent" or will the fact they commute into London mean they can reach the £40k threshold?

If it is 30k then those people are not treated as fairly a those in social housing in London and are basically getting the hit at £25,000 salary (lost income plus tax).

MrRee_2

One single Income Tax Rate of 20%

Personal Threshold of £15000

NMW to be £12/hour

Unemployed, unless sick, to do community work

Builders to build 1 social house per £100,000 Government Contract Income, or get no Government Contracts

University Fees dropped for hard to find skills - doubled for mickey mouse courses like media studies.

Inheritance tax abolished completely

Stamp Duty 5% across the board on properties above £300,000 - 0% below that, unless the property is rented out within 12 months and then the duty will be 10%

A persons NI payments taken into account when getting benefits and medical treatment, the more paid for the longest time equals best treatment and funding

UK wide massive building scheme of lower priced properties - the UK Government will pay for them and then sell at taxpayers cost price

Mersey_2

I'm amazed there's 350,000 council tenants earning over £30k pa.


Not just Frank Dobson then.

chewmylegoff

Wild_Rover wrote: »

I'm just going out, but didn't someone post relatively recently a graph showing that the majority of the CS job cuts had come at the coal face level and far fewer at the "mandarin" level?

My perception - and I agree, it's an opinion - is that when organisations downsize (public or private) it is the lower grades that go first. Wealth and income ineqaulity is only going one way - there is a continuing flow of funds from the poorer to the less poor as a matter of state policy. The consequence of the coming budget will be to increase it, I have no doubt about that. Which, of course, will be fine, as long as those affected sit quietly and accept it. I'm not convinced they will though.

WR

Probably because the cheapest way to cut staff is not to hire replacements when people leave and no-one ever leaves the cushy top paying public sector jobs unless they are insane. If making compulsory redundancies it is again much cheaper to bin the junior staff who are not only paid less but also have fewer years of service.

The final nail in the coffin of ever cutting any senior management roles is that the managers decide who gets the boot and they don't normally decide to make themselves redundant. In fact it seems to me that any restructure normally seems to feature creating another layer of management just below the directors in order to ensure that the directors are one step further away from having to carry the can when it all goes t!ts up...

chewmylegoff

hardnutman wrote: »

Regarding the social rents, what happens if you work in London but commute from outside?

For example somebody earning £30k and paying £4k to commute into London. Will they now also have the increase to "market rent" or will the fact they commute into London mean they can reach the £40k threshold?

If it is 30k then those people are not treated as fairly a those in social housing in London and are basically getting the hit at £25,000 salary (lost income plus tax).

What about someone who earns £25k and commutes into London but doesn't have a council house and has to pay market rent? Why should his taxes subsidise the rent of someone who earns more than him? Why does the fairness argument only apply as a justification for letting certain people keep preferential treatment that most people don't have?

As a society, it makes sense that if we are going to subsidise the rent of some people it should be the people who need it the most not just the people who happened to be historically allocated a council house many moons ago.

chewmylegoff

MrRee wrote: »

One single Income Tax Rate of 20%

Personal Threshold of £15000

NMW to be £12/hour

Unemployed, unless sick, to do community work

Builders to build 1 social house per £100,000 Government Contract Income, or get no Government Contracts

University Fees dropped for hard to find skills - doubled for mickey mouse courses like media studies.

Inheritance tax abolished completely

Stamp Duty 5% across the board on properties above £300,000 - 0% below that, unless the property is rented out within 12 months and then the duty will be 10%

A persons NI payments taken into account when getting benefits and medical treatment, the more paid for the longest time equals best treatment and funding

UK wide massive building scheme of lower priced properties - the UK Government will pay for them and then sell at taxpayers cost price

Great plan - the deficit will only be about £600bn a year if we implement that lot. We will be like Greece with rubbish weather within 18 months.

Aberdeenangarse

MrRee wrote: »

One single Income Tax Rate of 20%

Personal Threshold of £15000

NMW to be £12/hour

Unemployed, unless sick, to do community work

Builders to build 1 social house per £100,000 Government Contract Income, or get no Government Contracts

University Fees dropped for hard to find skills - doubled for mickey mouse courses like media studies.

Inheritance tax abolished completely

Stamp Duty 5% across the board on properties above £300,000 - 0% below that, unless the property is rented out within 12 months and then the duty will be 10%

A persons NI payments taken into account when getting benefits and medical treatment, the more paid for the longest time equals best treatment and funding

UK wide massive building scheme of lower priced properties - the UK Government will pay for them and then sell at taxpayers cost price

What would you call it? The Village idiot Budget :rotfl: