Huge potash mine approved for North York Moors National Park

cells

Plans for the world’s largest potash mine have been approved by members of the North York Moors National Park Authority (NYMNPA).

The mine head at Dove’s Nest Farm near Whitby and much of its associated infrastructure will be within the North York Moors, a sensitive and highly protected landscape.

Andy Wilson, Chief Executive of the NYMNPA said: “This decision is the culmination of hard work, of thorough examination and in-depth discussions of the largest planning application this National Park, and indeed any English National Park, has had to consider.

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Worlds largest potash mine mostly for export
The vote was 8 in favour and 7 against.
The 7 should be shot for treason
This is potentially a 100+ year mine

Generali

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jun/30/north-york-moors-potash-mine-gets-17bn-go-ahead

I guess you'll have to add local people to those that should be shot

The project was supported by 93% of local people who wrote to the council, 81% of whom live in the national park.

From the article it sounds like the project has been designed very sensitively from an environmental POV. It's not like they're going to strip mine the park or something.

It's the sort of project that the middle classes detest because they're making their money already. For the (not) working people of the area this will provide high-wage, long-term jobs that have been missing for decades.

cells

Generali wrote: »

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jun/30/north-york-moors-potash-mine-gets-17bn-go-ahead

I guess you'll have to add local people to those that should be shot



From the article it sounds like the project has been designed very sensitively from an environmental POV. It's not like they're going to strip mine the park or something.

It's the sort of project that the middle classes detest because they're making their money already. For the (not) working people of the area this will provide high-wage, long-term jobs that have been missing for decades.

i used to live about 10 miles from there

within the "local area" aka driving distance there is a nuke plant a coal plant a gas plant a chemical works a port a blast furnace two coke oven batteries two steel mills and a huge coal stocking area a biomass plant a boc distilant plant a oil refiner and much much more.

anyway this is potentially a world class mine and so close to a port (that has lots of coal and iron ore coming in and little going out on the return trip so maybe fill those same boats for cheap transport). Hopefully once up and running the marginal costs are so low that they expand. maybe england can become for potash what chile is for copper.

Generali

cells wrote: »

i used to live about 10 miles from there

within the "local area" aka driving distance there is a nuke plant a coal plant a gas plant a chemical works a port a blast furnace two coke oven batteries two steel mills and a huge coal stocking area a biomass plant a boc distilant plant a oil refiner and much much more.

anyway this is potentially a world class mine and so close to a port (that has lots of coal and iron ore coming in and little going out on the return trip so maybe fill those same boats for cheap transport). Hopefully once up and running the marginal costs are so low that they expand. maybe england can become for potash what chile is for copper.

I completely misread your OP as you being against! This is the sort of thing that confuses a stupid person (i.e. me).

I guess one way of looking at the seven against is that the company involved has done the minimum possible to get this over the line.

The problem is that a lot of environmental groups will simply oppose absolutely everything which has presumably swayed the 7. For me, they lose all credibility by doing so.

In Aus, the RSPCA are becoming increasingly marginalised as they have become another vehicle for the hard left to take a stand using a previously respected group.

http://www.weeklytimesnow.com.au/news/national/queen-to-be-approached-to-strip-rspca-of-royal-title/story-fnkfnspy-1227379684275

The Nationals are part of The Coalition, a permanent coalition between the right sided city-based Liberal party and the country-based National party. They are currently in Government here.

cells

Generali wrote: »

I completely misread your OP as you being against! This is the sort of thing that confuses a stupid person (i.e. me).

I guess one way of looking at the seven against is that the company involved has done the minimum possible to get this over the line.

The problem is that a lot of environmental groups will simply oppose absolutely everything which has presumably swayed the 7. For me, they lose all credibility by doing so.

In Aus, the RSPCA are becoming increasingly marginalised as they have become another vehicle for the hard left to take a stand using a previously respected group.

http://www.weeklytimesnow.com.au/news/national/queen-to-be-approached-to-strip-rspca-of-royal-title/story-fnkfnspy-1227379684275

The Nationals are part of The Coalition, a permanent coalition between the right sided city-based Liberal party and the country-based National party. They are currently in Government here.

i think the anti-everything groups are a natural feature of a rich economy. they should be ignored almost always as they dont use a scientific approach to determine things often its just a silly ideology of "this is a big business out to make big profits and no one else will benefit on iota"


regarding the potash mine, they are going to be transporting the materials underground some 10 miles to apease the NIMBYs. normally that could break such a project easily but this deposit seems so big so high quility that the backers seem to be ok with it. once in place and written down it will mean marginal cost is lower in the long term so maybe inadvertantly the NIMBYs have helped (assuming the dam thing actually gets built)

Generali

cells wrote: »

i think the anti-everything groups are a natural feature of a rich economy. they should be ignored almost always as they dont use a scientific approach to determine things often its just a silly ideology of "this is a big business out to make big profits and no one else will benefit on iota"


regarding the potash mine, they are going to be transporting the materials underground some 10 miles to apease the NIMBYs. normally that could break such a project easily but this deposit seems so big so high quility that the backers seem to be ok with it. once in place and written down it will mean marginal cost is lower in the long term so maybe inadvertantly the NIMBYs have helped (assuming the dam thing actually gets built)

The thing that bothers me is extremists infiltrating and taking over otherwise harmless or even useful bodies and then using their good name, and funds, to further dubious or simply political activities.

This was the letter sent by charities opposed to the mine:

http://www.cnp.org.uk/sites/default/files/uploadsfiles/150619%20(final)%20Open%20letter%20to%20NYMNPA%20members.pdf

Signatories included:

Brecon Beacons Park Society
Broads Society
Dartmoor Preservation Association
Friends of Pembrokeshire Coast National Park
New Forest Association
Cymdeithas Eryri Snowdonia Society
Exmoor Society
South Downs Society

!!!!!!...?

The South Downs Society, for example, has an income of ~£150,000 a year. What on earth are they doing spending some of that very small amount of money protesting a mine in Yorkshire?

chewmylegoff

I suppose the South Downs Society might say that this is a slippery slope and a precedent for industrial development of national parks thus it is quite right for them to get involved as they don't want someone coming along and building a massive mine in the middle of the South Downs in the future.

On a different tack, I note the difference between this and the horse hill oil - ie someone has actually checked that there is potash there rather than just making it up.

mwpt

cells wrote: »

i think the anti-everything groups are a natural feature of a rich economy. they should be ignored almost always as they dont use a scientific approach to determine things often its just a silly ideology of "this is a big business out to make big profits and no one else will benefit on iota"

Wow. I agree so much I tried to hit like twice and it unliked. Well said.

kabayiri

Generali wrote: »

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It's the sort of project that the middle classes detest because they're making their money already. For the (not) working people of the area this will provide high-wage, long-term jobs that have been missing for decades.

Perhaps we should clarify the problematic "middle classes", though I can only relate behaviour to the Peak district.

The loudest NIMBY voices often come from the new entrants to these quaint little villages. These "out of towners", rather like ex-voters, suddenly become village converts. To keep the village 'as is' means protecting their "cottage" investment (which is probably really a terrace).

People who live in my village and who have lived here all their lives are generally more realistic. They know things have to change to create jobs for the next generation.

PasturesNew

Jobs for lots of people who need them -v- the enjoyment of using your Cath Kidston rug and picnic basket to enjoy the contents of a Waitrose Summer Hamper on a nice piece of grass when you take your 4x4 out for a run in the country.

princeofpounds

Actually you aren't allowed to picnic on the grass because it belongs to Sir Montague Percy's daughter's pony or Tom Bull the local farmer who is handy with the shotgun.


But you can enjoy the view as you travel in your Vauxhall Astra down the A road.