wood burning stove - advice please

muckybutt

Ditto gasmangarys advice, good post mate ! :T

One thing I see all to often is folks fitting their own fires and forgetting about leaving access for sweeping the chimney, a lot of the cheap foreign stoves dont have removeable internal baffles which means if you dont have a flue pipe with an access hole in it or a soot box fitted at the same time then it cant be swept !

For an extra few quid do it safely and properly get it done correctly and signed off as compliant to building regs by a registered Hetas engineer

stoozey

I replaced a gas fire with a wood burner. I have a chimney but the gas flue is no good obviously.

I bought the double skin flue from the bay for £100 direct from the manufacturer. NO WAY I'd have a fire without the correct flue. Say goodbye to your building insurance if you burn down your house.

I also bought a villager stove of the bay as well. Brilliant piece of kit.

I then paid a local installer a bit of cash and he installed the lot in 2 hours on a Saturday morning. No building controls required. My house is a nanny state free zone.

Simply_Layla

Hi

We bought a second hand Jotul wood burning stove about 4 years ago off Ebay.

I would definitely recommend this make as it has been brilliant.

They are quite expensive if you buy a new one, but 2nd hand ones are terrific value.

We have quite a large living room with a high ceiling, but no longer have the radiators on in this room as the stove heats it it up really quickly.

Layla

jcr16

when we moved into our current house the chimney had fitted in it a horrible gas fire thingy. there was an old back boiler behind the fire. our plans were to remove the fire, back boiler and open the fire place back up as an open fire.

What we did was contact a local business who supply log burners, stoves, grates etc everythign you need for open fires. and they came round and gave us all the info we needed on what size log burner would fit, how they are installed correctly. they were so helpful. at the moment we have chosen to just open the fire right up and we have a replica log burner in there and then our plans are to later on have them come round an install a log burner for us. they did our neighbours fire and they haven't used heating since it has been installed as it warms the entire house.

hethmar

stoozey wrote: »

I replaced a gas fire with a wood burner. I have a chimney but the gas flue is no good obviously.

I bought the double skin flue from the bay for £100 direct from the manufacturer. NO WAY I'd have a fire without the correct flue. Say goodbye to your building insurance if you burn down your house.

I also bought a villager stove of the bay as well. Brilliant piece of kit.

I then paid a local installer a bit of cash and he installed the lot in 2 hours on a Saturday morning. No building controls required. My house is a nanny state free zone.

The liner must be the cheaper 316 grade? How on earth did the guy install it all in 2 hours? Did he use scaffolding, cherry picker or ladders? Did he make the register plate on site or bring it with him? What insulation did he use in the flueway? Did he fit a plate, clamp, insert, bottom adaptor, sweep access, air vent? I also hope you have the required hearth size and co monitor?

If you say local building control wasnt involved, then the installer has to give you the warranty docs and the necessary HETAS certificate and DATA plate.

All in 2 hours? not possible.

If, as you say, you paid him "bit of cash" then I cant see how your installation can have been legally registered by him as Inland revenue would pick up on the registration. Your council should be notified by HETAS that you have installed the liner and fitted a stove if you dont have buildings control out - that means the installer has to be registered with them and complete the documentation in triplicate for distribution. If you did burn down the house, you would be in the same position whether you had the flue lined or not - you would have no proof it was done to regulations and legally.

stoozey

Hi I'll try and answer your questions:

>> The liner must be the cheaper 316 grade?

Cost is not important really but yes it is the correct grade.

>>How on earth did the guy install it all in 2 hours? Did he use >>scaffolding, cherry picker or ladders?

Ladder, we have a shallow sloping roof making it easy to walk on.

>>Did he make the register plate on site or bring it with him?

Neither, I had one made before he arrived.

>>What insulation did he use in the flueway?

None. Not a requirement and there was no room anyway.

>>Did he fit a plate, clamp, insert, bottom adaptor, sweep access, air >>vent?

yes, yes, no, yes, yes, no.

>> I also hope you have the required hearth size and co monitor?

yes and no, the second not being a requirement.

>> If you say local building control wasnt involved, then the installer
>> has to give you the warranty docs and the necessary HETAS
>>certificate and DATA plate.

Per my previous post I dont do nanny state paperwork. I make sure the install is correct to my and the contractors satisfaction.

>>All in 2 hours? not possible.

It was pretty easy, first job remove the old pot, pull out the old gas flue and then pull down the new flue. I helped at the bottom pulling the new flue down. Total time 20 mins.

He then connected the flue to the reg plate/adaptor and stove pipe, sealed the pipe both ends with cement into the log burner. in house work finished. Total time: 30 mins.

Back up onto the roof, cut off the excess flue clamped it in place. Put the new pot on and cemented it in place. Closed the cavity with cement. Put on the rain cowl. Total Time 1 hour.

>>If, as you say, you paid him "bit of cash" then I cant see how your
>>installation can have been legally registered by him as Inland revenue
>>would pick up on the registration.

Why does the tax man want to know about my chimney ??? :rotfl:

>>Your council should be notified by HETAS that you have installed the
>>liner and fitted a stove if you dont have buildings control out - that
>>means the installer has to be registered with them and complete the
>>documentation in triplicate for distribution. If you did burn down the
>>house, you would be in the same position whether you had the flue
>>lined or not - you would have no proof it was done to regulations and
>>legally.

They would have to prove it was not already in place when I bought the property. Good luck with that.

I think you need to wake up and smell the coffee all these Nu Labour country killing paperwork laws are on the way out along with the mass of overpaid over pensioned cretins that process them. Happy days.

hethmar

Im afraid you are wrong, a CO monitor is a legal requirement, ditto an air vent if the output is in excess of 5 Kw. And whilst 316 is ok, its not the top quality 904 that most installers would recommend. Also, if there was no room in the flueway for insulation - which is strongly recommended, its likely the liner is touching the brickwork - not a good idea.

You misled people saying he did the job in 2 hours - he would have to be a superman to do that - because you did some of the work beforehand, didnt do some of the required work and then assisted at the time - it also sounds like you have a low stack. I still cant believe the timings you give above, particularly if you say the flueway was narrow, unless no access points were made to ensure it wasnt damaged when pulled down or the liner is not the correct diameter.

If you dont have a DATA plate and the installation was not registered with HETAS (not to do so is illegal in both cases) I think it would be up to you to prove it was in place when you bought the property - not the other way round.

I cant see how you can say you are sure it was done correctly - you arent a registered installer and the installer you used clearly didnt know/comply with at least some of the regulations.

The tax man doesnt want to know about your chimney
- my point being that I was querying whether your cash paid installer had correctly registered the installation -
as IR would want to know why an invoice for the registered installation isnt shown in the installers accounts - IF he had registered the job correctly with HETAS and the local authority, but apparently he didnt.

Ignorance may be bliss, but it can be dangerous sharing it out to others.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1273882/Teenager-dies-summerhouse-wood-burning-stove-leaks-carbon-monoxide.html

porkypie8

Hi

Does anybody know if there is a 3 sided approved multi fuel stove for sale in the UK - we found one in the Netherland but planning won't allow it to be installed due to us being in a smoke controlled area.

So are looking for a 3 sided multi fuel stove.

Thank you

tz1_1zt

Westfire Uniq 23 with side glass. Predominantly a woodburner, bit has under-bed air and optional raised grate for a 80:20 wood:coal mix.
DEFRA exempted for use in a smokeless zone. 6.1kW nominal output.
Take a look at eurostove.co.uk for more info an nearest approved stockist.
Regards,
tz1_1zt

Mojisola

porkypie8 wrote: »

Hi

Does anybody know if there is a 3 sided approved multi fuel stove for sale in the UK - we found one in the Netherland but planning won't allow it to be installed due to us being in a smoke controlled area.

So are looking for a 3 sided multi fuel stove.

Do you mean a triangular stove or one with glass in the sides as well as the front?