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petition DWP don't abolish contribution based ESA
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Please could you sign & share a petition objecting to changes conservative government propose. To abolish national insurance contribution based ESA and JSA welfare benefits. This welfare cut would affect all of the working age population especially those ill health unemployed redundancy As I can't put direct link to petition on this website can you find it by
1. typing leamington claimants union into your browser
2 select & open website leamington claimants union. change org page
then petition should be seen to click on
.change.org/p/dwp-stop-the-scrapping-of-contributory-based-esa-jsa
Leaked documents mention that national insurance contribution based ESA and JSA welfare benefits may be abolished in the July 8th UK budget. Employees who have paid national insurance contributions and complied fully with UK national insurance contributions law expect to receive the financial benefits /rewards they have paid for should they fall on hard times. A change to the national insurance contributions law / regulations breaches natural justice in our opinion.
ESA is employment support allowance benefit which replaces incapacity benefit claimed by sick and disabled people. JSA is job seekers allowance benefit paid to unemployed people seeking work. The UK government states people can claim the income based equivalents to these benefits income related ESA or JSA but households are only eligible in reality to claim these if no one in the household is bringing a financial income into household. (see new regulations in universal credit benefit)
Background
1. please type in browser theguardian.com/politics/2015/mar/27/conservatives-face-pressure-to-come-clean-on-12bn-benefit-cuts
Article published in weeklywelfare magazine June 3rd 2015
Asked in the Commons if he stood by the commitments he made on disability benefits during the election campaign, the PM declined to comment. This article titled “Cameron fails to rule out cuts to disability benefits” was written by Nicholas Watt Chief political correspondent, fortheguardian.com!on Wednesday 3rd June 2015 15.46 UTC
David Cameron has declined to rule out cuts to disability benefits as part of George Osborne’s planned £12bn welfare savings due to be outlined this year.
The prime minister, who confirmed to MPs that he stood by his commitment during the election campaign to maintain child benefit in its current form for the next five years, failed to give a similar commitment on disability payments.
Stephen Timms, the former Labour Treasury minister, challenged the prime minister to repeat on the floor of the Commons the commitments he made on disability benefits during the election.
The Conservatives were forced during the election campaign to deny they had plans to cut disability benefits after an internal Department for Work and Pensions document, which included proposals for a series of welfare cuts, was leaked to the BBC.
The emails suggested that civil servants, acting on instructions from the Conservatives, had drawn up proposals to tax disability benefits, saving £1.5bn a year. The BBC reported that civil servants were examining the possibility that disability living allowance, personal independence payments and attendance allowance (paid to pensioners over the age of 65 who have personal care needs) would no longer be paid tax free.
The emails also suggested restricting child benefit to the first two children and scrapping industrial injuries benefit by forcing firms to cover the costs.
Timms said: “I welcome the prime minister’s confirmation that there will be no cuts in the rates of, or eligibility conditions, for child benefit. Will he also confirm the commitment he made during the election that there will be no cuts in the benefits paid for disabled people?”
The prime minister declined to answer Timms’s question and instead reminisced about their encounter on the election trail.
Cameron told Timms: “What we have actually done is increase the benefits paid to disabled people by bringing in the personal independence payment which is actually more generous to those who are most disabled. Can I say how much I enjoyed meeting with him during the general election where we both addressed the Festival of Life in the Excel centre in his constituency. I don’t know about him, but it’s certainly the only time I’ve spoken to 45,000 people in my life.”
Cameron’s spokesman said: “The prime minister pointed out that we have actually increased disability payments. In terms of the £12bn, we will be spelling out our plans. But we always operate on the very clear principle about protecting the most vulnerable, ensuring that work always pays.
“That is the approach we have taken throughout. Look at our track record over the last five years where we have introduced systems where people with the most severe disabilities, as the prime minister said in the commons, money towards those has increased.”
The spokesman was asked about the prime minister’s equivocal response to Timms, compared with the emphatic response by Iain Duncan Smith, the work and pensions secretary, to the leak to the BBC in March.
A spokeswoman for Duncan Smith said at the time: “This is ill-informed and inaccurate speculation. Officials spend a lot of time generating proposals – many not commissioned by politicians. It’s wrong and misleading to suggest that any of this is part of our plan.”
The No 10 spokesman said: “We made very clear, when they emerged, that those had been looked at in 2013 and rejected at the time. The prime minister was very clear on that.”
Article published in weeklywelfare magazine June 4th 2015
The Government’s pledge to find £12bn in savings from the welfare budget will require ‘significant cuts’ to non-protected benefits, says the Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS).
Outside of protecting spending on state pension and universal pensioner benefits, the Conservatives would need to find savings on the a scale amounting to almost 10% of unprotected benefits, just to meet their 2015 manifesto pledge.
The IFS says, “finding the sought after £12 billion of cuts in just two years will not be easy”.
“Finding such a reduction without cutting child benefit, which has been pledged this week, would mean that even more significant cuts would likely be required to spending on one or more of tax credits, housing benefit and disability & incapacity benefits”.
Chancellor George Osborne has been accused of “misleading” the public on the extent of planned cuts. To meet its overall spending target, even after slashing £12bn from welfare expenditure, the government would still need to accelerate cuts to other unprotected government departments.
Other than the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP), unprotected departments include the Ministry of Defence, the Home Office, the Ministry of Justice, the Department for Communities and Local Government, the Department for Business, Innovation & Skills, and the Department for Transport.
According to the IFS, “cuts would need to increase from the 2.0% a year seen over the five years from 2010–11 to 2015–16, to 2.2% a year over the three years from 2015–16 to 2018–19″. “This would give a total cut of £23.8 billion across all departments between 2015–16 and 2018–19. That’s on top of the £2.2 billion of cuts taking place in 2015–16 and the £49.2 billion of cuts delivered between 2009–10 and 2014–15.
“Protecting defence from any further real cuts – which would still leave its budget falling further as a share of national income – would increase the cuts elsewhere over the next three years to 18.7%, and the cuts over the eight years from 2010–11 to 36.9%.”
SNP MSP Kenneth Gibson said: “The cuts agenda of George Osborne and the Tory government was already widely discredited and economically illiterate – and today the IFS have delivered a further blow to the Chancellor’s credibility, in addition to yesterday’s report from the OECD saying deep spending cuts are hampering economic growth.
“Not content with delivering these cuts to public services, it now emerges that the Tories have been misleading people about the extreme scale of the cuts needed to meet their targets.” Chancellor George Osborne will detail how the government will cut £12bn from the welfare bill in an ’emergency budget’ in July 2015
thank you for reading post
1. typing leamington claimants union into your browser
2 select & open website leamington claimants union. change org page
then petition should be seen to click on
.change.org/p/dwp-stop-the-scrapping-of-contributory-based-esa-jsa
Leaked documents mention that national insurance contribution based ESA and JSA welfare benefits may be abolished in the July 8th UK budget. Employees who have paid national insurance contributions and complied fully with UK national insurance contributions law expect to receive the financial benefits /rewards they have paid for should they fall on hard times. A change to the national insurance contributions law / regulations breaches natural justice in our opinion.
ESA is employment support allowance benefit which replaces incapacity benefit claimed by sick and disabled people. JSA is job seekers allowance benefit paid to unemployed people seeking work. The UK government states people can claim the income based equivalents to these benefits income related ESA or JSA but households are only eligible in reality to claim these if no one in the household is bringing a financial income into household. (see new regulations in universal credit benefit)
Background
1. please type in browser theguardian.com/politics/2015/mar/27/conservatives-face-pressure-to-come-clean-on-12bn-benefit-cuts
Article published in weeklywelfare magazine June 3rd 2015
Asked in the Commons if he stood by the commitments he made on disability benefits during the election campaign, the PM declined to comment. This article titled “Cameron fails to rule out cuts to disability benefits” was written by Nicholas Watt Chief political correspondent, fortheguardian.com!on Wednesday 3rd June 2015 15.46 UTC
David Cameron has declined to rule out cuts to disability benefits as part of George Osborne’s planned £12bn welfare savings due to be outlined this year.
The prime minister, who confirmed to MPs that he stood by his commitment during the election campaign to maintain child benefit in its current form for the next five years, failed to give a similar commitment on disability payments.
Stephen Timms, the former Labour Treasury minister, challenged the prime minister to repeat on the floor of the Commons the commitments he made on disability benefits during the election.
The Conservatives were forced during the election campaign to deny they had plans to cut disability benefits after an internal Department for Work and Pensions document, which included proposals for a series of welfare cuts, was leaked to the BBC.
The emails suggested that civil servants, acting on instructions from the Conservatives, had drawn up proposals to tax disability benefits, saving £1.5bn a year. The BBC reported that civil servants were examining the possibility that disability living allowance, personal independence payments and attendance allowance (paid to pensioners over the age of 65 who have personal care needs) would no longer be paid tax free.
The emails also suggested restricting child benefit to the first two children and scrapping industrial injuries benefit by forcing firms to cover the costs.
Timms said: “I welcome the prime minister’s confirmation that there will be no cuts in the rates of, or eligibility conditions, for child benefit. Will he also confirm the commitment he made during the election that there will be no cuts in the benefits paid for disabled people?”
The prime minister declined to answer Timms’s question and instead reminisced about their encounter on the election trail.
Cameron told Timms: “What we have actually done is increase the benefits paid to disabled people by bringing in the personal independence payment which is actually more generous to those who are most disabled. Can I say how much I enjoyed meeting with him during the general election where we both addressed the Festival of Life in the Excel centre in his constituency. I don’t know about him, but it’s certainly the only time I’ve spoken to 45,000 people in my life.”
Cameron’s spokesman said: “The prime minister pointed out that we have actually increased disability payments. In terms of the £12bn, we will be spelling out our plans. But we always operate on the very clear principle about protecting the most vulnerable, ensuring that work always pays.
“That is the approach we have taken throughout. Look at our track record over the last five years where we have introduced systems where people with the most severe disabilities, as the prime minister said in the commons, money towards those has increased.”
The spokesman was asked about the prime minister’s equivocal response to Timms, compared with the emphatic response by Iain Duncan Smith, the work and pensions secretary, to the leak to the BBC in March.
A spokeswoman for Duncan Smith said at the time: “This is ill-informed and inaccurate speculation. Officials spend a lot of time generating proposals – many not commissioned by politicians. It’s wrong and misleading to suggest that any of this is part of our plan.”
The No 10 spokesman said: “We made very clear, when they emerged, that those had been looked at in 2013 and rejected at the time. The prime minister was very clear on that.”
Article published in weeklywelfare magazine June 4th 2015
The Government’s pledge to find £12bn in savings from the welfare budget will require ‘significant cuts’ to non-protected benefits, says the Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS).
Outside of protecting spending on state pension and universal pensioner benefits, the Conservatives would need to find savings on the a scale amounting to almost 10% of unprotected benefits, just to meet their 2015 manifesto pledge.
The IFS says, “finding the sought after £12 billion of cuts in just two years will not be easy”.
“Finding such a reduction without cutting child benefit, which has been pledged this week, would mean that even more significant cuts would likely be required to spending on one or more of tax credits, housing benefit and disability & incapacity benefits”.
Chancellor George Osborne has been accused of “misleading” the public on the extent of planned cuts. To meet its overall spending target, even after slashing £12bn from welfare expenditure, the government would still need to accelerate cuts to other unprotected government departments.
Other than the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP), unprotected departments include the Ministry of Defence, the Home Office, the Ministry of Justice, the Department for Communities and Local Government, the Department for Business, Innovation & Skills, and the Department for Transport.
According to the IFS, “cuts would need to increase from the 2.0% a year seen over the five years from 2010–11 to 2015–16, to 2.2% a year over the three years from 2015–16 to 2018–19″. “This would give a total cut of £23.8 billion across all departments between 2015–16 and 2018–19. That’s on top of the £2.2 billion of cuts taking place in 2015–16 and the £49.2 billion of cuts delivered between 2009–10 and 2014–15.
“Protecting defence from any further real cuts – which would still leave its budget falling further as a share of national income – would increase the cuts elsewhere over the next three years to 18.7%, and the cuts over the eight years from 2010–11 to 36.9%.”
SNP MSP Kenneth Gibson said: “The cuts agenda of George Osborne and the Tory government was already widely discredited and economically illiterate – and today the IFS have delivered a further blow to the Chancellor’s credibility, in addition to yesterday’s report from the OECD saying deep spending cuts are hampering economic growth.
“Not content with delivering these cuts to public services, it now emerges that the Tories have been misleading people about the extreme scale of the cuts needed to meet their targets.” Chancellor George Osborne will detail how the government will cut £12bn from the welfare bill in an ’emergency budget’ in July 2015
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Please could you sign & share a petition objecting to changes conservative government propose. To abolish national insurance contribution based ESA and JSA welfare benefits.
We already did that petition on the 7th of May.
All of the fat has been cut from the system.
If the government is actually intent on hitting their 12 billion (or whatever) target, they will need to do things that no government in the past has been willing to do.
Means-testing or taxing disability benefits are perhaps one of the least contraversial.
That is - that cannot properly be spun around and do not directly affect people who vote a lot.
'We are focussing help on the most able' 'We want to help the disabled back into work' 'Food banks are being used more because the food is free'.0 -
I agree with the child benefit capped at two children.0
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I agree limiting child benefit to 2 or even 3 children would be preferable to removing national insurance contribution based ESA and JSA welfare benefits. People pay national insurance contributions expecting to receive benefits currently associated with national insurance act as they are listed in current act documents0
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Yes I am in the same position as you. I have an occupational pension that is not very large less then 10000£ I would struggle to live on it alone as I have minimal savings. Previous I worked as medical doctor working up to 108 hours per week or more at times. Now I can't work due to bipolar affective disorder PTSD and hemiplegic migraine. If contribution based ESA goes than I am stuffed and lose probably near 5000£ per year. Under universal credit which will be rolled out to apply to everyone I won't be eligible to income related ESA even if I am completely moribund nearly dead. As my pension will count as income and stop me claiming any income related benefits. I am angry as I paid national insurance contributions appropriately all my working life, like you worked full time. I expected government to honour the regulations set out in national insurance act that existed whilst I was paying national insurance contributions I. e. contribution based welfare benefits would exist. If you know anyone else who will sign out petition please get them to sign it. We can only hope that government does not implement this change to national insurance act0
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If they stop my conts based ESA I will have to leave my partner and move 200 miles away to move back in with my parents. Partner is working full time but he is also disabled and cannot support both of us. I have fibromyalgia which often leaves me bedbound- there's not a chance I can just go and get a job.*The RK and FF fan club* #Family*Don’t Be Bitter- Glitter!* #LotsOfLove ‘Darling you’re my blood, you have my heartbeat’ Dad 20.02.200
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It shouldn't have to come to that. My parents are pensioners and although my Dad has early stage Korsikoff's syndrome and my mum would welcome an extra pair of hands while I'm well my partner will suffer on his own. I worked since I was eighteen up until I got cancer, fifteen years, and paid tax all that time. My last job was in the NHS looking after end stage dementia patients, a job that ultimately led me to have a mental breakdown. It just seems that it's a right smack in the face if you work and pay your way you get nothing..*The RK and FF fan club* #Family*Don’t Be Bitter- Glitter!* #LotsOfLove ‘Darling you’re my blood, you have my heartbeat’ Dad 20.02.200
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I get contributions based ESA and I have multiple health problems.
My partner, who works full time, doesnt not earn enough money to support us both.
I don't know what will happen if this is stopped, but I there is no way I can return to work.
This government is a joke, and I never voted for them!!0 -
OMG! Is this definitely on the cards then?
I wouldn't have thought they would dare to do something like this, far more likely under a Labour government.Stopped smoking 27/12/2007, but could start again at any time :eek:0 -
I have signed the petition, but the pundits seem to think the vast amounts of these savings will come from Working Tax Credits, benefit caps, housing benefit, and benefits (of all sorts) for those under 25.
To be honest, most times, cuts of huge amounts are mooted, and then what actually happens is much less than threatened.
There are as many people on sickness benefits now as there was in 2010, and the ESA system is still in chaos. Reviews still aren't being carried out, in thousands of cases.
So, administration wise, I cannot see too many more changes are a realistic prospect, simply because of the costs.
It has cost many millions with ATOS, failed computers, appeals etc., and virtually nothing has been achieved.
PIP, though there are huge delays, looking at the stats, seems to be awarded as much as DLA was, as the award rates, before appeals, (so far) seem broadly similar.
Duncan Smith, allegedly, is said to favour removing WRAG from ESA, and applying the old rules we had for IB - either fit for work or not.
Which will bring us back to where we all started lol
Ah well, have to wait and see.
Lin
You can tell a lot about a woman by her hands..........for instance, if they are placed around your throat, she's probably slightly upset.
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If they do remove the national insurance contribution based ESA and JSA welfare benefits how soon do you think they will do it? Do you think they will do it immediately? ie on the day they announce it on the budget day?0
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