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Solarchaser wrote: »I dont understand why you continue to feed the troll Martyn.
It's so obvious its saddening to see you reply to his blatant, obvious and ridiculously childish baiting.
To sum up.
Yada yada I dont really love nuclear, that's why I troll about it all the time on a green and ethical board, yada yada I'm a physicist... honest guv, and the rest of you are all peasants.
If you ask me for my qualifications, I'll just ignore and carry on.
Oooh ooh Chinese solar panels..... yaaaawn!!
You know, he might well be an engineer, or a fiz a cist, but that doesnt mean he knows anything, I'm sure we have all worked with people who had the ticket, but didnt know there rear hole from their ear hole.... but this one, is just a troll.
The golden rule is dont feed the troll!
We are of a similar mind.
Given the 'demands' by two posters to show respect for his posts, and the small(ish) at the time number of us with him on ignore, I think it was an interesting exercise for myself (sorry for the pain imposed on others) to engage some of his extremes.
However, with the now ever growing number of folk using the ignore function, and nothing in his posts (that I can see) that is based on facts, science or real events, it seems pointless to continue to engage.
I hope I posted enough news items and reports to show clearly that existing nuclear can't be extended 'forever', but in fact gets ever more expensive to nurse along as the whole structure gets ever weaker from self induced damage (expected as part of the design and build).
So, back to green RE news then, hopefully.Mart. Cardiff. 8.72 kWp PV systems (2.12 SSW 4.6 ESE & 2.0 WNW). 28kWh battery storage. Two A2A units for cleaner heating. Two BEV's for cleaner driving.
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Martyn1981 wrote: »Actually the argument put out by the EPA, and to be clear this isn't the 'normal' EPA but Trump's hard right & in the pockets of the oil industry EPA, is that higher fuel efficiency cars cost more to buy, and newer cars are safer, so more expensive newer cars will mean people driving less safe older cars instead of buying a new car, leading to more deaths!!!!
Obviously it is BS, and the opposite is true when the health impacts of fuel emissions, and the cost of AGW are included.
Further to this news, and it is big news as it will knock back fuel efficiency in the US massively, and probably undermine BEV deployment, here is the Transport Secretary laying out the 'lies' behind the move, and a critical breakdown of the idea:
[For reference and background, this Lady is now under serious multiple investigations for misuse of power, she claimed to but failed to divest her interests prior to taking up the role, and regularly appears officially, with her father, to help promote him in the eyes of China. She has also tried 4 times to arrange official visits to China (with her father), but each time they have been blocked after China has asked the US if this is appropriate!! She is also married to the senior member of the Senate - 'Moscow Mitch', who on Trumps behalf has refused to allow any votes on the legislation being passed up from Congress to protect the US from voting interference by foreign nations in the 2020 elections.
Sorry for the lengthy background, but it's important to know how intertwined all of these measures (such as removing the ban on incandescent lamps) are, and how apparently corrupt many of the heads of US Departments now are. Further note, in the US heads of departments don't rise up the ranks like senior civil servants in the UK, but are appointed by the President, such as the Education Secretary, a friend of Trump, a multi-billionaire, with (wait for it) 12 luxury yachts. At least the US system gives me greater faith in UK politics.]
McConnell’s wife undermines entire GOP in stunning moveMart. Cardiff. 8.72 kWp PV systems (2.12 SSW 4.6 ESE & 2.0 WNW). 28kWh battery storage. Two A2A units for cleaner heating. Two BEV's for cleaner driving.
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Martyn1981 wrote: »We are of a similar mind.
Given the 'demands' by two posters to show respect for his posts, and the small(ish) at the time number of us with him on ignore, I think it was an interesting exercise for myself (sorry for the pain imposed on others) to engage some of his extremes.
Super hero Mart has saved the world again from the evil troll.Martyn1981 wrote: »However, with the now ever growing number of folk using the ignore function, and nothing in his posts (that I can see) that is based on facts, science or real events, it seems pointless to continue to engage.
Oh no, have we seen the last chapter in the battle between good and evil? Don’t worry superhero Mart will be back soon in another episode of the fight between believers and heretics.Martyn1981 wrote: »So, back to green RE news then, hopefully.
And of course more comic stories and conspiracy videos from his other superhero friends Zac and Jesse.Northern Lincolnshire. 7.8 kWp system, (4.2 kw west facing panels , 3.6 kw east facing), Solis inverters, Solar IBoost water heater, Mitsubishi SRK35ZS-S and SRK20ZS-S Wall Mounted Inverter Heat Pumps, ex Nissan Leaf owner)0 -
Martyn1981 wrote: »......as religion depends on people believing without facts.......
I disagree...religion depends upon people manipulating the facts to fit their beliefs. The prophecies are a prime example.4kWp (black/black) - Sofar Inverter - SSE(141°) - 30° pitch - North LincsInstalled June 2013 - PVGIS = 3400Sofar ME3000SP Inverter & 5 x Pylontech US2000B Plus & 3 x US2000C Batteries - 19.2kWh0 -
Martyn1981 wrote: »The weird thing though Eric, is that you don't seem able to understand that you have it backwards.
That 'thing' you posted, accuses those of us that believe in science of being religious zealots. Whereas, of course, it's the exact opposite as religion depends on people believing without facts, or ignoring facts on the basis of their personal beliefs, such as you ignoring science and claiming that the planet 'should' be warming, or blaming it on volcanoes.
Don't get me wrong, I think it's an excellent bit of spin (or projection) by the denialists to claim that those that accept science are like religious zealots, I just never thought someone like you would fall for it, nor post it.
I felt the article Eric posted was very apposite and I suspect will resonate with a few people. You obviously see much merit in the points made as you have adopted your usual defence (where you can’t deny the arguments) that it is spin.
The spin argument can be applied to a lot of what you post on this thread and, quite frankly, I am surprised that if you genuinely want this board to concentrate on RE issues you continue to peddle blatantly inflammatory political articles.
That is not the way to achieve consensus or harmony.
Maybe if you had read the article from Eric without your blinkers on you would be able to see why some people see the world differently from you and express alternative points of view. You don’t need to agree with those points of view but if you can’t understand why they are made then it does tend to put you right in the camp of being a religious zealot.
It isn’t a black and white world so (as I think Michaels says) ‘cool heads and compromise’.Northern Lincolnshire. 7.8 kWp system, (4.2 kw west facing panels , 3.6 kw east facing), Solis inverters, Solar IBoost water heater, Mitsubishi SRK35ZS-S and SRK20ZS-S Wall Mounted Inverter Heat Pumps, ex Nissan Leaf owner)0 -
Gosh! Support for science based AGW, really upsets those that enjoy faith based denials.
BTW Ken, thanks for the compliments, but I've never thought of pushing back against the faith based cult of AGW denialism as a superpower, moral duty perhaps, but no need for any superpowers, anyone who believes in science can take part, it's easy, you just have to follow the facts, instead of hiding away from them.Mart. Cardiff. 8.72 kWp PV systems (2.12 SSW 4.6 ESE & 2.0 WNW). 28kWh battery storage. Two A2A units for cleaner heating. Two BEV's for cleaner driving.
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Martyn1981 wrote: »Gosh! Support for science based AGW, really upsets those that enjoy faith based denials.
BTW Ken, thanks for the compliments, but I've never thought of pushing back against the faith based cult of AGW denialism as a superpower, moral duty perhaps, but no need for any superpowers, anyone who believes in science can take part, it's easy, you just have to follow the facts, instead of hiding away from them.
Global temperature has risen 0.8C - 1.2C since pre-industrial times & yet the population continues to expand as fast as ever. That's a long way along the path towards climate 'Armageddon' with very little effect on the human race so far.4kWp (black/black) - Sofar Inverter - SSE(141°) - 30° pitch - North LincsInstalled June 2013 - PVGIS = 3400Sofar ME3000SP Inverter & 5 x Pylontech US2000B Plus & 3 x US2000C Batteries - 19.2kWh0 -
Perhaps it's the ones that think they can halt AGW that are in "hiding" ... or even denial? The more pragmatic may accept the fact that the planet is going to warm & the best we can do is to slow the rate of change enough to give us the time adapt to the new world.
Global temperature has risen 0.8C - 1.2C since pre-industrial times & yet the population continues to expand as fast as ever. That's a long way along the path towards climate 'Armageddon' with very little effect on the human race so far.
That's a strange post?
Of course we can halt AGW, by not adding any additional CO2 into the environment (I won't say atmosphere as you seem to think the oceans don't count).
The faster we get to zero, the less 'bad' things will be when the impacts peak, possibly 30-50yrs later due to the temp v's CO2 lag.
Can we stop the planet warming further, now that's the real question. The Paris accord suggests that if we limit AGW to 1.5C, by getting to zero by 2050, and removing CO2 from 2050-2100 (otherwise after the lag CO2 levels in 2050 will cause us to hit +2C) then we have a two thirds chance of preventing runaway warming - principally as a result of methane trapped in permafrost, and the higher ability of blue water v's white ice to absorb (rather than reflect) solar heat.
The planet is already being affected, and that's at temperatures that reflect the CO2 levels from the last century, not today.
If you truly believe that those that think we can halt AGW are in denial, then that's a very sad place to be. There is still hope that we can prevent a climate disaster, and just limit it to a climate mini-disaster.
That's the whole point of the Paris Accord, the artificially accelerated rollout of RE via subsidies, and the need to pushback against the faith based cult of AGW denialism, by spreading scientific fact instead.
Lastly ...... hold on ....... just stripping off ........ need more talc ....... oh it's a bit tight ........ one leg, two legs ......... need to lose weight.
Right, I'm now wearing my XXXL latex Catwoman suit, and warming up my non-superpower Google machine .........
OK, so as I said, lastly, I'm sorry to bleat on about AGW, I'd much rather enjoy celebrating good RE news, but since the end of Spring, this thread has been inundated with AGW denial nonsense, such as understating UK emissions (by hiding CO2 in the oceans), denial that UK actions will make a difference (they are all part of the collective actions), denial that FF companies have distorted opinions and falsely claimed science is unsure, claims that higher CO2 is good for crops, claims that rolling out RE or combating AGW will bankrupt economies, full blown denial of AGW and the health impacts of FF emissions particularly coal, very old myths that the planet would be warming anyway, or a significant amount of warming is due to volcanoes ...... I'm sure there is much more I've forgotten.
AGW is real, it's an incredibly serious problem, we need to act, RE is a great alternative (cleaner, greener, cheaper, healthier and more popular) and this thread should enjoy these facts, not waste time on anti-AGW false beliefs, and mis-direction. Especially when almost all of said nonsense comes from a tiny number of people who seem to have almost no interest in this thread other than to argue.
Gotta go now, this suit is cutting off circulation to my brain ...... <<insert joke here>>Mart. Cardiff. 8.72 kWp PV systems (2.12 SSW 4.6 ESE & 2.0 WNW). 28kWh battery storage. Two A2A units for cleaner heating. Two BEV's for cleaner driving.
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What is the science behind the lag from co2 to temps. I can see that warming might take time (as more heat in than out gradually increases the temperature until we are hot enough for heat out to match heat in again but 50 years? I can also see that there are feedback effects so that even if human co2 stops increasing the rising temp itself leads to more GHG release and reduced libido and the snow ice effect already mentioned.
Where are we on the sort of sea level increases that will threaten large populations?I think....0 -
Where are we on the sort of sea level increases that will threaten large populations?
The worst case forecast is for sea level to rise 14mm pa ... but that would be the result of runaway AGW. I believe it's currently rising at 2-3mm pa.
There was a National Geographic tool that enabled you to see the vanishing coastline as the ice melts.4kWp (black/black) - Sofar Inverter - SSE(141°) - 30° pitch - North LincsInstalled June 2013 - PVGIS = 3400Sofar ME3000SP Inverter & 5 x Pylontech US2000B Plus & 3 x US2000C Batteries - 19.2kWh0
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