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Why the Tories Won

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  • kabayiri
    kabayiri Posts: 22,740 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 10,000 Posts
    Totally agree with your post, however I'm pressing that perception should not be acceptable and clarification and details should prevail

    I could take a marker pen and wipe through every party manifesto for being vague. When you couple that with the fact that a manifesto has no binding whatsoever, we can't expect a fact based election.

    I don't find Nicola refreshing and honest. There was much talk of voting on a "case by case basis" should there be a split balance of power. That clarifies *nothing* to me. She also talked about SNP MPs voting on English issues which could affect the Scottish budget. That's also vague; just how far do you take this tactic?

    Nicola Sturgeon sounded like pretty much every politician. It wasn't fresh at all.
  • IveSeenTheLight
    IveSeenTheLight Posts: 13,322 Forumite
    Which parties campaigned in such a way? Are you suggesting that the SNP did not engage in any negative campaigning and that everything they said or did was entirely based on independently verified facts?

    I'm not suggesting anything anything of the sort.

    I will criticise any MP, SNP included, for using negative campaigning, especially if not using specific facts.

    As an example, I believe all MP's should see clarity of where the funds are coming from and where they are being spent, so instead of bickering that parties manifestos are unsubstantiated, the truth can be discussed.

    If one party is spending 2.4% of the revenues on budget and another party shows 2.2%, then they can articulate where that 0.2% is being prioritised elsewhere

    The electorate then get the opportunity to clearly see which manifesto they prefer.

    The problem I foresee though is that the differences probably would be so little that it would be difficult to differentiate without the magnification spin and bullsh!t that we get.

    One of the best things about the election campaign was that the general public did not let the politicians get away with not answering the question posed
    :wall:
    What we've got here is....... failure to communicate.
    Some men you just can't reach.
    :wall:
  • IveSeenTheLight
    IveSeenTheLight Posts: 13,322 Forumite
    kabayiri wrote: »

    Nicola Sturgeon sounded like pretty much every politician. It wasn't fresh at all.

    That's your opinion, mine is obviously different.

    My opinion of course, but I thought David Cameron's first cabinet speech since the election was very good, talking about ensuring they take responsibility for the whole electorate and not just the Conservative voters..

    Very similar extracts to Nicola's speech a few weeks back in her manifesto speech regarding to reaching out to all parts of the UK;)

    He may have learned a thing or two from Nicoal in the last month :p
    :wall:
    What we've got here is....... failure to communicate.
    Some men you just can't reach.
    :wall:
  • wotsthat
    wotsthat Posts: 11,325 Forumite
    kabayiri wrote: »
    I don't find Nicola refreshing and honest. There was much talk of voting on a "case by case basis" should there be a split balance of power. That clarifies *nothing* to me. She also talked about SNP MPs voting on English issues which could affect the Scottish budget. That's also vague; just how far do you take this tactic?

    Nicola Sturgeon sounded like pretty much every politician. It wasn't fresh at all.

    The only fresh thing was how Sturgeon was the face of the SNP's general election campaign but wasn't up for election in any seat.

    I wonder if she now regrets this because she'll have to watch from a distance as Angus Robertson stays the Westminster SNP leader and she has to go back to running the equivalent of a big town council. There's potential for some disharmony within the ranks - for a start I'd bet Alex Salmond had half an eye on the Westminster leader role.
  • antrobus
    antrobus Posts: 17,386 Forumite
    Moby wrote: »
    Thanks for that and then I saw who wrote it....... son of Glenda......Dan Hodges!:rotfl:

    I hadn't realised he was Glenda's son.
    Moby wrote: »
    ...You do know of course that this guy loathes Ed Miliband. He left the Labour Party and GMB Union in the wake of Ed stabbing David in the back. He was invited to join the Torygraph and has been writing numerous character assassination hack jobs in that rag ever since to work out his vitriol.

    That's pretty much business as usual in the Labour Party. :)
  • antrobus
    antrobus Posts: 17,386 Forumite
    wotsthat wrote: »
    ... There's potential for some disharmony within the ranks - for a start I'd bet Alex Salmond had half an eye on the Westminster leader role.

    Well, Nicola did say that "she had no idea ‘what kind of mischief’ Alex Salmond would get up to".

    Or perhaps she didn't. I believe she has plausible deniability.
  • antrobus
    antrobus Posts: 17,386 Forumite
    Moby wrote: »
    ...The policy most likely to achieve this is probably a promise to increase NHS funding, ....

    The problem isn't to find those policies that involve the promise of increased funding that will get votes. The problem is to find those policies that involve raising the necessary money to pay for it that doesn't lose votes.:)

    That's the Labour Party's central dilemma. It seems extraordinarily reluctant to suggest any increases in taxation. No amount of marginal tinkering with the tax system (e.g. mansion tax), or indeed vague promises to tackle tax avoidance or evasion in some more vigorous fashion than is currently the case, is going to raise that much in the way of hard cash.

    If you want Scandinavian levels of public services you need Scandinavian levels of taxation. :)
  • IveSeenTheLight
    IveSeenTheLight Posts: 13,322 Forumite
    wotsthat wrote: »
    she has to go back to running the equivalent of a big town council.

    Lovely sentiment
    wotsthat wrote: »
    TThere's potential for some disharmony within the ranks - for a start I'd bet Alex Salmond had half an eye on the Westminster leader role.

    I very much doubt this.
    Alex Salmond has a lot of respect for Nicola Sturgeon, even seeking permission from Nicola before standing for SNP leader a decade ago, offering to step aside if she did not agree

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dyvMjBDxKE

    28:06 - 29:40
    :wall:
    What we've got here is....... failure to communicate.
    Some men you just can't reach.
    :wall:
  • wotsthat
    wotsthat Posts: 11,325 Forumite
    Alex Salmond has a lot of respect for Nicola Sturgeon, even seeking permission from Nicola before standing for SNP leader a decade ago, offering to step aside if she did not agree

    We'll see - I doubt the SNP politicians have smaller egos or are any less ambitious than the rest. Won't be long before there's friction between those elected to serve in Westminster and their leader (who wasn't) 'calling the shots' from 400 miles away.
  • IveSeenTheLight
    IveSeenTheLight Posts: 13,322 Forumite
    wotsthat wrote: »
    We'll see - I doubt the SNP politicians have smaller egos or are any less ambitious than the rest. Won't be long before there's friction between those elected to serve in Westminster and their leader (who wasn't) 'calling the shots' from 400 miles away.

    Indeed, we will see.

    Certainly nothing to note so far that indicated there will be disharmony in the SNP like the other parties have shown over the years.

    Maybe your just wishing for this a little too hopefully
    :wall:
    What we've got here is....... failure to communicate.
    Some men you just can't reach.
    :wall:
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