BBC had a refugee on the news this morning

kabayiri

Loughton_Monkey wrote: »

This is arguable.


Movement is one thing, official residence is another.
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I would agree. Free movement of labour to meet specific local needs is akin to free trade to meet local needs.

Having an EU wide labour force potential of 200m+ means you can ride out temporary shortfalls in one region and make use of surplus skills in another. It sounds efficient to me.

I'm not sure how this translated into mass migration on a permanent basis though.

antrobus

Loughton_Monkey wrote: »

This is arguable.
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It isn't in the UN Universal Decleration for one thing.

Article 13 refers to the "right to freedom of movement and residence" but that is only "within the borders of each state". And the right to leave the country, and come back again.

Article 14 refers to the "right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution".

But there is nothing about anyone having the right to pick and choose what country they they live in.

http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/index.shtml

kabayiri

Cyberman60 wrote: »

It may be BHR in a lefties mind, but in reality it does not exist between countries unless with permission of the receiving country and for very good reasons.
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BHR has been very successful....for some.

Just think of the poor human rights lawyers who would have been unable to afford such "basics" as Ferraris ; Rolex watches ; Armani clothing; without the rich cash cow of Human Rights cases.

antrobus

kabayiri wrote: »

BHR has been very successful....for some.

Just think of the poor human rights lawyers who would have been unable to afford such "basics" as Ferraris ; Rolex watches ; Armani clothing; without the rich cash cow of Human Rights cases.

Why does the name Cherie Blair come to mind?

purch

Loughton_Monkey wrote: »

Movement is one thing, official residence is another.

As someone classed as a "Non-Resident Alien" for many years when I lived in U.S. I can agree.

It wasn't really a problem, other than when Mulder and Scully were sneaking around my yard at night :eek:

TheBlueHorse

the point is, i don't want to have to pay for these people. or lose a school place for my child (that my taxes have paid for).

You should claim asylum in the FIRST safe place you get to.

Moby

CLAPTON wrote: »

what is a 'basic human right'?

how do we know what they are?

are they given to us by God?
were they revealed by a prophet ?
were they always there, are are eternal?

were they discovered by the Egyptians or the Greeks or Romans or the English or Americans or the French?

how do you know that freedom of movement is a basic human right?

Article 13 UN Universal Declaration Of Human Rights which we are signed up to. Of course for the benefit of the pedants I accept there are rules within this but that's what lawyers are for and I was just talking general principles. Do you think God will strike me down dead for not being precise enough;)

Conrad

TheBlueHorse wrote: »

2. why did the BBC not ask him?

They never ask the real questions.
The other day they interviewed Nigerians all wanting to get to Britain. No enquiry as to why they want to leave a powerhouse African economy, just this classic BBC / Guardianista inevitability to it all. Sure there is terrorism in Nigeria but huge swathes of it are unaffected.


I'd love to see a fly on the wall documentary as to what happens the moment they arrive here. I bet they are offered all manner of assistance and told what their claiming rights are.

CLAPTON

Moby wrote: »

Article 13 UN Universal Declaration Of Human Rights which we are signed up to. Of course for the benefit of the pedants I accept there are rules within this but that's what lawyers are for and I was just talking general principles. Do you think God will strike me down dead for not being precise enough;)

The UN document is simply a fairly arbitrary set of rules with some international legality but no particular moral standing.

The free movement of people is not feasible, would lead to massive problems and has no moral authority whatsoever

so let rejoice that it isn't an international standard.

Conrad

Those that bang on about universal HR's and the rest always imply that were we to break the law, Britain would pay some sort of heavy price and yet the French even under Hollande routinely deport Roma camps and nothing happens aside from some standard ticking off rhetoric by the EU. God I'd love us Brits to have that sort of no nonsense approach.


Try claiming benefits in France as a Brit, 10 x harder than people find claiming here thanks to the British law abiding / HR's sensibility