Pensioner bonds extended

stator

Loughton_Monkey wrote: »

I've fixed that for you.

the maturer element of this society who worked hard, saved, and made this country wealthy, only to find the younger generation throwing away every penny down the toilet of consumption and the gutter of irresponsible credit..

"Worked hard" for 30 years, retire at 60/65, sponge off the rest of us for another 30 years.

Loughton_Monkey

stator wrote: »

"Worked hard" for [STRIKE]30[/STRIKE] 34 years, retire at [STRIKE]60/65[/STRIKE] 56, [STRIKE]sponge off the rest of us for another 30 years[/STRIKE]. and live entirely on their own means for the rest of their lives, without being a drain on the taxpayer.

Corrected it for you.

the_flying_pig

yeah, it's very straightforward targetting of would-be voters teetering in the direction of 'the grey party', i.e. ukip.

what other economic/social/whatever justification there could be i can't begin to imagine.

chucknorris

stator wrote: »

"Worked hard" for 30 years, retire at 60/65, sponge off the rest of us for another 30 years.

What makes you think that they will be sponging? When I retire my income will still be well into the higher rate tax band, which I have been most of my working life.


How about this deal, I will forgo my state pension, if I can pay no tax, would that suit you?

Graham_Devon

wotsthat wrote: »

Young people are far more gullible when it comes to election bribes and can usually be bought off with promises such as longer paternity leave, rent controls, utility price controls etc.

As they get older they'll realise that most of these promises are lies and will demand cash up front for their votes.

An election bribe is usually seen as a monetary / financial incentive for a certain group of people, is it not?

Rent controls, paternity leave and utilities are all policies.... hardly bribes.

michaels

Graham_Devon wrote: »

An election bribe is usually seen as a monetary / financial incentive for a certain group of people, is it not?

Rent controls, paternity leave and utilities are all policies.... hardly bribes.

And better yet as bribes they all involve spending other people's money so there are not even those tricky questions about how they will be paid for, and of course the public/media find considering the consequences (less housing, fewer jobs, more expensive energy) too complicated.

CLAPTON

Graham_Devon wrote: »

An election bribe is usually seen as a monetary / financial incentive for a certain group of people, is it not?

Rent controls, paternity leave and utilities are all policies.... hardly bribes.

you can't be serious.

one might have thought that rent controls are monetary / financial incentives targeted on certain groups of people who rent

one might have thought that paternity leave is monetary / financial / social incentive targeted on certain people who have children or thinking of so doing.


utilities policies seem to be causing costs to rise so probably can't be called an incentive other than for big international companies

wotsthat

Graham_Devon wrote: »

An election bribe is usually seen as a monetary / financial incentive for a certain group of people, is it not?

Rent controls, paternity leave and utilities are all policies.... hardly bribes.

Policy is just a nice word for it - they're all bribes. A transfer of money (or a promise to do so) from one group of of people to another in exchange for a certain outcome which is an X on the ballot paper.

The politicians don't care because it's not their money. They're just making a calculation that it'll gain more votes than will be lost.

The government have an advantage in this regard in that they can use real money to bribe people (more effective IMO). The opposition parties can only make promises they hope won't test people's credulity.

Three months before an election is probably not the best time to try and work out whether a politician's latest utterance is a policy or a bribe or whether, in this context, there's any real difference anyway.

antrobus

wotsthat wrote: »

Policy is just a nice word for it - they're all bribes. ....

You so obviously don't understand.:)

If a political party announces a decision that costs money and I don't approve of it, it's a bribe.

If a political party announces a decision that costs money and I do approve of it, it's a policy.

Graham_Devon

CLAPTON wrote: »

you can't be serious.

one might have thought that rent controls are monetary / financial incentives targeted on certain groups of people who rent

one might have thought that paternity leave is monetary / financial / social incentive targeted on certain people who have children or thinking of so doing.


utilities policies seem to be causing costs to rise so probably can't be called an incentive other than for big international companies

Right, so we rename policies as bribes.

Now, what do we call these things were seeing in the media today, called election bribes?

And why do you always have to have these pointless semantics arguments?

A bribe is usually seen as something put forward (not always a policy) which may influence how voters vote at an election. In most cases, these involve incentives, such as tax cuts for certain people, or in this case, higher levels of interest for a specific group.

The definition of bribery is: Bribery is an act of giving money or gift giving that alters the behavior of the recipient, where the gift is of a dishonest nature.

So we can't simply state every policy by every party is a bribe.