Switching off someone else's ignition

Strider590

Driver is a complete idiot and the cyclist should have been in the centre of the lane, to make sure nobody was able to do what the driver did.

I know you may feel compelled to stay left, but you must "take the lane" in those situations in order to stay safe.

Tobster86

Strider590 wrote: »

Driver is a complete idiot and the cyclist should have been in the centre of the lane, to make sure nobody was able to do what the driver did.

I know you may feel compelled to stay left, but you must "take the lane" in those situations in order to stay safe.

This post makes sense. Unfortunately (and I'm sure every cyclist has experienced this), defensive instinct often causes you to initially yield when someone starts to push; you then have to react with what is essentially not-wanting-to-be-bullied fire fighting to keep your position. No intention was displayed to turn left, only intention to avoid a collision.

Joe Horner; your post makes zero sense. It is clearly a desperate (and poor) attempt to discredit my case, and smacks of the same arrogant "get out of my way, I'm heavier and have crumple zones" attitude displayed by the driver in the video. If you always went where people bullied you into going instead of where you intended to go, you'd never reach your destination.

Joe_Horner

Tobster86 wrote: »

Joe Horner; your post makes zero sense. It is clearly a desperate (and poor) attempt to discredit my case, and smacks of the same arrogant "get out of my way, I'm heavier and have crumple zones" attitude displayed by the driver in the video. If you always went where people bullied you into going instead of where you intended to go, you'd never reach your destination.

Not at all.

YOU admit you had moved left, and explained why.

To then try to " react with what is essentially not-wanting-to-be-bullied fire fighting to keep your position" (again, your words, not mine) rather than yielding your position to stay alive is, frankly incredibly stupid.

You admit to moving left because you felt squeezed over before the car even came into view. That should have told you "here's a driver who doesn't give cyclists consideration".

By moving to the left as you did, that ignorant driver is very likely to read your intention as "I'm turning left" - few cyclists give any indication at all of where they're going apart from their positioning. A few still use the good old HC arm signals but most don't bother, so drivers don't expect to see them. So postioning matters and your positioning by moving left is ambguous at best, misleading at worst.

To then try to assert you right of way, when you're the one who'll be jammified if it goes wrong is nuts!

Now, none of that excuses what the car did, but there was plenty you could gave done to prevent it developing as it did- icluding taking the left as you were being pushed towards it by the car.

Regardless of the rights and wrongs, as the soft squishy one it would be in your best interests to do those defensive things in future!!!



eta: having looked at the google view (satellite and streetview), the time to be claiming the lane was the entrance to the roundabout (or just before, around the pedestrian crossing), not after entering it!

fred246

Looks like a case of attempted murder.

brat

DirectDebacle wrote: »

But you have no integrity. You claim it doesn't matter whether the police tell the truth or not. Obviously it does matter and to state it doesn't is to bring the police service into disrepute.

I find it difficult to believe that a real police officer would make such claims on a public forum.

You'll need to link me to some evidence that I said anything of the sort.

pinkteapot

Terrible piece of driving but does not excuse what you did next.

pinkteapot

ps Video doesn't prove he was in the wrong lane. He was going fast, could have just come belting up behind you in your lane and overtaken on the bend/exit (as others have said, assuming you were turning left). Still bad driving o course as he should have stayed back in case you weren't turning.

AdrianC

Tobster86 wrote: »

As my description says, I have moved left because I have started to take evasive action before they come into the picture. They come along side, very close for a few moments (hence my audibly going "SHHH.....") then bolt across, foot to the floor (as possibly confirmed by their exhaust). So if there's anything wrong with my position, it's because I'm already avoiding a collision.

If you started bearing left THAT early to avoid the collision, then you continued to head into it for quite a while after you'd noticed it. Your road positioning is wrong right from being stationary at the lights, and continued to look as if you were going left right up until you peeled off the left-turn trajectory to go straight on, then almost immediately realised the red car was going left and dived back left just before he cut across you.

DirectDebacle

brat wrote: »

You'll need to link me to some evidence that I said anything of the sort.

From this thread.

The original post by Tilt is at #34 asking if the police have been truthful with him.

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Originally
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Tilt


So was I fibbed to or not then?

This was your answer (at #44) to that question .

Who knows. Actually, who cares.

The evidence is you said you don't care whether the police are truthful or not.

Provide some evidence you are actually a police officer.

brat

DirectDebacle wrote: »

From this thread.

The original post by Tilt is at #34 asking if the police have been truthful with him.



This was your answer (at #44) to that question .



The evidence is you said you don't care whether the police are truthful or not.

In fact, my comment doesn't say that at all.

If you put some context to that specific point, I was expressing exasperation that the person to whom I was responding had a habit of creating specific, developing, unverifiable anecdote to make his point. My lack of concern was because I was tiring of responding to his criticisms of the police which were usually based on anecdote and ignorance rather than fact.

So, nice try, but you chose to misinterpret me. That can happen, especially when you take one phrase out of context. Perhaps if you had read other posts of mine, you wouldn't have made such a rash assumption.

Provide some evidence you are actually a police officer.

Most people come to a conclusion on my profession based on the content of my posts. I see no need to change that for you.