John Lennon Airport Fine Help

daft11

Hi everyone, new to the forum i wonder if anyone can help me? I'm not the best at computers and I have a hard time using forums etc as I'm a woman in my 50s and new to this technology so please bare with me.

I have seen there is a 'stickies' post and tried to look over it along with other peoples posts but looking through the forum its become confusing as I have read they have changed the law regarding these parking fines, every case seems a bit different, and the letters people have used are different etc.

Apologies to anyone who has read these scenarios 100+ times.
Basically I travel to visit family often and use the airport a lot, my son and friends help out by picking me up as the flights can be late and its a dark long walk back home, they have done this run countless times and know when i arrive etc. I phoned my son to say I was outside, and he said he was on route and had pulled up on the approach to answer the phone to me.

At this point in time (2012) Hes living in his own home so all his mail is organized and goes to his own home so I bin his junk mail,
He however received a mail with an urgent stamp to my house so I opened the letter addressed to him and it was information that he received a fine from VCS, along with grainy picture of the incident.

I panicked but did not want to worry him so spoke to friends who assured me these are not fines and they are garbage, and even joked how amateur the letter looked so I forgot about it,
I have also seen stories about this kind of thing on TV so that gave me confidence on the issue. However letters kept coming and it was playing on my mind once more and got very tired of this,
so written a letter to complain that the letters affected my sleep and was worried about it all, not to mention i had a lot of personal issues at that time so i was very upset. In the letter (which was sent recorded with my own money) I informed them that my son no longer lives at my address and asked them to take it up with him, and I never heard anything back.

Not too long ago I have just heard from a company called TNC? who informed me that my son will face court proceedings in 7 days (even though the letters date had ran out before it was delivered)
if he doesn't pay the fine, the back of the letter also states he could face a CCJ, and court fees.

I don't know how but now they have been text messaging me not him with "this will happen and that will happen" basically more of the threats the letter informs you of followed by please phone this number, I don't even know how they got my mobile number?

I have just informed my son about it and hes really angry, about the whole situation, despite the letter I sent no attempt has been made to contact him he wants to phone them to give them a piece of his mind and is in two minds of either welcoming them to see him in court or giving him his address, as its annoyed him that they have being hounding me. has anyone got any advice with today's current law on this matter or a letter template? or any links for this situation.

I have noticed a few John Lennon posts, whats your take ladies and gents, thank you, look forward to any help on this. My son has also approached friends about this even one in law so hopefully he will have some more information himself.

Note: this was not the car park, this was the road approaching were they took a picture of his car.

Again thank you for any help.

Redx

the fact that you have ignored these demands hasnt helped you due to the fact the law changed in oct 2012 and so if after then you should have appealed and if necessary taken it to popla , before oct 2012 they can only chase the driver, IF they know who it is (you dont have to tell them)

also its doesnt help that you call them "fines" , when they are an invoice, not a fine , no private firm can fine you, or me, only a court or a judge can "fine" you

read post #4 of the newbies sticky thread about debt collectors, then ignore them

only come back for advice if you receive an LBC or an MCOL under the S.C.C. procedures (see that sticky thread for a glossary of terms)

TNC = DEBT COLLECTORS

IGNORE DEBT COLLECTORS

if you get any more parking invoices, you need to follow the procedures in that NEWBIES sticky thread, PROMPTLY

I doubt that your friends nor your sons friends will ubderstand this topic at all, maybe worthwhile ignoring them too

so read and follow the advice from here, its the best you will get on this topic

phoning these people never did anyone any good either, dont do it

The_Slithy_Tove

Redx wrote: »

the fact that you have ignored these demands hasnt helped you due to the fact the law changed in oct 2012 and so if after then you should have appealed and if necessary taken it to popla , before oct 2012 they can only chase the driver, IF they know who it is (you dont have to tell them)

Fortunately, the law change (i.e. Protection of Freedoms Act) makes no difference in this case, as it doesn't apply to JLA's roads. This makes ignoring a viable option, and at this stage, the only option.

Whatever you do, DO NOT phone any PPC or debt collector. In fact any sort of contact will only make them redouble their efforts to extract money from you.

Redx

agreed, but it doesnt seem to stop these parking companies from flouting the rules and using their dvla access to get RK details, something that should be stamped down on by somebody that can do so

clearly many on here including you and me believe it breaks the DPA when they get RK details for non-relevant land and it should be stopped

so yes in this case I agree, but had this person received an invoice from a car park on relevant land they would still be in this same predicament , but couldnt use these DRIVER ONLY rules in those cases as POFA 2012 would apply.

I believe its too complicated on purpose, with a "heads the ppc wins and tails the rk or driver loses" mentality, which is why most of us come on here to find out more, then a very small number stick around to help others

this OP should stay in ignore mode, seeing as its gone on so long , no phone calls , no contact , nothing, unless its looking like going to court

daft11

The_Slithy_Tove wrote: »

Fortunately, the law change (i.e. Protection of Freedoms Act) makes no difference in this case, as it doesn't apply to JLA's roads. This makes ignoring a viable option, and at this stage, the only option.

Cheers for the reply, So does this mean in layman's terms that they don't have a leg to stand on regarding JLA, and as I mentioned, I sent them a letter informing them he does not live here, surely if they had that info I sent them, they would proceed to locate him and re send the original invoice? I can imagine a lot of people have had this issue with JLA?

Redx

if you named the driver they cannot chase the RK, although they could try, never say never

if it was before oct 2012 they can only chase the driver, but may "try it on" with the RK

only a judge can tell you if they have "a leg to stand on" it totally depends on the case out forward on the day, your defence, and the judges decision

next month there will be one in the high court, the beavis case , so sometimes they do go to court

daft11

Redx wrote: »

the fact that you have ignored these demands hasnt helped you due to the fact the law changed in oct 2012 and so if after then you should have appealed and if necessary taken it to popla , before oct 2012 they can only chase the driver, IF they know who it is (you dont have to tell them)

Cheers for the help Redx. So is it too late to take it to popla? I seen

This:
2 Not the driver? - Reset the POPLA clock If you are the Registered Keeper, but you were NOT the driver at the time of the 'parking event', you have the opportunity to reset the POPLA clock by identifying the driver. In that case you write to the PPC, acknowledging the LBA, and tell them the driver's name and address.

Hypothetically if I inform them my sons address, surely he has the right to appeal? If a LBC letter arrived what would be a suitable template or could you link me to a suitable one to use, other than that is it best to just ignore as I mentioned I sent them a letter explaining and they have obviously ignored me.

Redx

if the event was AFTER oct 2012 (I dont think you have told us this vital piece of info yet) , and before VCS went to the IPC a few months ago, then yes you could name the driver to VCS and get him a pcn in his own name at his own address, th-ent he can appeal and take to popla in his own name, absolving you under POFA 2012

if it was BEFORE oct 2012 , I dont think you can do this so should ignore everything except an LBC or court papers (POFA 2012 didnt exist)

ignore debt collectors anyway, that goes without saying

any templates or suggested letters can either be found using search words in the forum search box, or by looking through all the sticky threads at the top of this forum

I am sure you will find these things if you look for them , especially by starting with the sticky threads , or pen your own short and sweet letter to VCS with pcn details, the date of the first pcn or the day it happened, and the drivers name and address

the NEWBIES sticky thread does say not to do this where its an airport, as RK liability does not apply , in your case no LBC seems to have been issued either

pps:- re-reading your post it seems he may be the RK , not you, so this appears to be nothing to do with you , so no you cannot go about resetting any clock and neither can you be taken to court as its nothing to do with you at all

you are not the registered keeper

you are not the keeper

you are not the driver

you did not commit the "offence" (the task that caused the issues)

all you did was open somebody elses mail that used to live at your address

you are being hounded for somebody elses perceived "debt" by debt collectors who harass you by telephone calls or text messages or mail at your address

if I read the posts correctly, its nothing to do with you at all, apart from this person used to live at your address

I think you need to send a cease and desist letter to the debt collectors, saying you will sue for harassment if it continues (the person they want is no longer at this address)