Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

IveSeenTheLight

CLAPTON wrote: »

I gave you the facts and figures about the relative values of council tax in Scotland and England

using the logic that you yourself proposed, it showed that the cost of provision of services was higher in England than Scotland, so that there was a good argument that Scotland should receive a lower block grant than England

do you accept the conclusion?

Stop deviating from the point in hand.

Are you a politician?

P.S. I do not agree with your conclusion, but I am not opening the door to old ground, else you'll be wanting to bring up the national anthem next

Tromking

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

His actions as Secretary of State, means that he should have been accountable to the whole of the Scottish electorate, that's democracy.

Having an unscrupulous election campaign and narrowly holding your seat, but losing you cabinet position, should not mean that you are exempt for your actions as a cabinet minister at the time.

But that`s not our system though is it?
He doesn`t hold any minister of state job and AFAIK doesn't hold a national position within the Liberal Party to resign from or be accountable to the Scottish people for.
The people of Shetland and Orkney will judge him, and that's the way it should be.

kabayiri

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

True, but it's location certainly should have been considered.

Why not Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds, Newcastle or Cardiff?
Where other locations considered?
What made London the location of choice?
...

The real reason?

The IOC has been a circus of 'officials' touring the world's premier hotspots to be wined and dined.

Allegations of corruption are rife.

They consider the Olympics to be one of the world's premier sporting events and would not entertain Bradford or Leeds or Bristol or Glasgow.

Why is the next Olympics in Rio and not Sao Paulo ?

I would have been happy to stick the Olympics in the middle of the country, for ease of access. It's never going to happen though.

CLAPTON

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Stop deviating from the point in hand.

Are you a politician?

P.S. I do not agree with your conclusion, but I am not opening the door to old ground, else you'll be wanting to bring up the national anthem next

You consistently make conjectures that try to show that Scotland is disadvantaged compared to England.
They are always disproved : rather that admit your error you hide behind the shirt of 'not going over old ground'.
You were wrong then and many times previously.

Given your devotion to the nationalistic socialist cause in scotland, I would have thought you would be interested in how scotland spends its money and what it spends on infrastructure.
It's all available of the web.

And no I don't want to draw attention to the racism in the certain sections of the Scots.

Tromking

kabayiri wrote: »

The real reason?

The IOC has been a circus of 'officials' touring the world's premier hotspots to be wined and dined.

Allegations of corruption are rife.

They consider the Olympics to be one of the world's premier sporting events and would not entertain Bradford or Leeds or Bristol or Glasgow.

Why is the next Olympics in Rio and not Sao Paulo ?

I would have been happy to stick the Olympics in the middle of the country, for ease of access. It's never going to happen though.

In other words the Scottish chippy sense of grievance doesn't wash with the IOC.

Shakethedisease

Tromking wrote: »

But that`s not our system though is it?
He doesn`t hold any minister of state job and AFAIK doesn't hold a national position within the Liberal Party to resign from or be accountable to the Scottish people for.
The people of Shetland and Orkney will judge him, and that's the way it should be.

However, had he came clean at the time, his constituents might not have had to wait five years in order to gain the opportunity to 'pass judgement' on him. The fact he waited until after the election to 'fess up is another example of how dodgy this whole think looks for him.

IveSeenTheLight

Tromking wrote: »

But that`s not our system though is it?
He doesn`t hold any minister of state job and AFAIK doesn't hold a national position within the Liberal Party to resign from or be accountable to the Scottish people for.
The people of Shetland and Orkney will judge him, and that's the way it should be.

If I have 9 points on a driving licence and get caught speeding, it does not matter if the time it goes to court, if the points on my licence are lower.

I'm assessed at the time of the incident, hence Carmichael should have been accountable from the time he held the position (IMHO).

He's used his position to promote clear fallacy, which he now meekly offers his apologies for.

This after blatantly knowing he was in the wrong.

Never mind though, he no longer is a member of the cabinet, so we'll just let him off then and see if the constituents remember in 5 years time.

B0llocks to that. He broke the MP's code of conduct and deliberately conned the electorate with a false story.

Morally, he should stand down and re-enter as a candidate if he believes the electorate would re-elect him.

At least that way, it's clear if the electorate in his constituency were willing to trust him going forward?

IveSeenTheLight

Tromking wrote: »

In other words the Scottish chippy sense of grievance doesn't wash with the IOC.

LOL, nothing to do with Scotland.
I asked why other parts of the UK was not considered for benefiting from this infrastructure spend

IveSeenTheLight

CLAPTON wrote: »

You consistently make conjectures that try to show that Scotland is disadvantaged compared to England.

Oh Clapton, your'e losing it again.
Please keep up.

I have not inferred that Scotland is disadvantaged in this discussion today. I've been considering that your conjecture that England is disadvantaged, may indeed be balanced or not.

I've clearly stated I don't have the facts but it would be a useful if we did for an open discussion.

You claim to have the facts, but seem unwilling to share them.

Why is that? Is it because the truth is that your stated facts are indeed not fact?

Now then, time to move on unless you are willing to share said facts

Tromking

Shakethedisease wrote: »

However, had he came clean at the time, his constituents might not have had to wait five years in order to gain the opportunity to 'pass judgement' on him. The fact he waited until after the election to 'fess up is another example of how dodgy this whole think looks for him.

Indeed, and the good people of Orkney and Shetland may have that alleged deceit in their minds when they come to vote next, or maybe they won`t.:)
Under our system we don't vote for ministers or party officials, we vote for individuals to represent us in parliament for a 5 year term.
Agitators from outside have no say I`m afraid.