Economic benefits of immigration mask severl concentrated challenges

StevieJ

Maybe we should encourage more illegal immigrants, I presume thay don't claim any benefits 'in work' or out

CLAPTON

wotsthat wrote: »

Resorting to a strawman?

Yes I recognise downsides in all of the above. Sounds grim in London - nothing quite like it though judging by an almost pathological need to live there despite it's third world qualities.

The discussion is about the economic benefits of immigration : I don't consider your personal visits to London or even my living circumstances are relevant, to the general issue of the socio-economic consequences of major increases in UK (and particularly London and the SE) population.

wotsthat

CLAPTON wrote: »

The discussion is about the economic benefits of immigration : I don't consider your personal visits to London or even my living circumstances are relevant, to the general issue of the socio-economic consequences of major increases in UK (and particularly London and the SE) population.

It actually started off as a discussion about whether immigrants should be entitled to in-work benefits without a qualifying period. Of course the wider socio-economic effects of immigrants on your daily commute and the terrible quality of life now being inflicted on the occupants of the SE is where we ended up.

jjlandlord

There are several issues mixed up together.

The proposal in the article seems completely aimed at removing a real or perceived incentive to moving to the UK, which is the increase in 'pay' people can expect by moving here.

If implemented, the proposal may indeed have an effect, though I think it would be much less than hoped and the examples in the article seem a bit contrived.
What must also be considered are the wider aspects of unemployment and/or lack of perspective in the home country.

Graham_Devon

wotsthat wrote: »

It actually started off as a discussion about whether immigrants should be entitled to in-work benefits without a qualifying period. Of course the wider socio-economic effects of immigrants on your daily commute and the terrible quality of life now being inflicted on the occupants of the SE is where we ended up.

Bit rich, considering your first and subsequent posts were about sandwiches, of which I still don't know the relevance.

Graham_Devon

Graham_Devon wrote: »

OK.

So the lights going out wouldn't be an economic disadvantage?

You might have missed the reports about how close we are now to blackouts due to increased usage on the grid.

Funnily enough, warning out today about the damage blackouts would bring to the economy.

The UK would face "severe economic consequences" if there was a serious disruption to the electricity supply.

The cost could run into billions of pounds, according to a new report from the Royal Academy of Engineering).

You can't just keep adding users without adding to the infrastructure.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-30221520

mayonnaise

Those immigrants...first they steal our jobs and our wimmin, and now our leccy also! :mad:

N1AK

N1AK wrote: »

I'm not aware of a single "in work" benefit in another EU country which is available to natives without restriction but is restricted for other EU nationals. Perhaps you or someone else would care to enlighten us with some examples?

Come on Graham, you've had a day and you've certainly posted enough on here that you could have found the time to give us an example.

Or does the fact that you don't know of a single example of an EU nation having an in-work benefit that is available to natives universally but not to other Europeans? Doesn't that somewhat undermine your credibility when you're so happy to jump to support an article making a claim you can't validate, then claiming those questioning it are being misleading

Graham_Devon

N1AK wrote: »

Come on Graham, you've had a day and you've certainly posted enough on here that you could have found the time to give us an example.

Or does the fact that you don't know of a single example of an EU nation having an in-work benefit that is available to natives universally but not to other Europeans? Doesn't that somewhat undermine your credibility when you're so happy to jump to support an article making a claim you can't validate, then claiming those questioning it are being misleading

Sorry, missed this.

As to your question though, it's difficult, as, as far as I'm aware, other countries in the EU don't have the very generous benefits, especially in work ones, that we do.

So, as far as I'm aware, there isn't a comparison to make.

The fact we have such a generous benefit system is the main problem.

Graham_Devon

mayonnaise wrote: »

Those immigrants...first they steal our jobs and our wimmin, and now our leccy also! :mad:

This is little pathetic really.

The demand on the power grid is a serious issue. No one is making out that anyone is stealing anything, rather that there is increased pressure on the service.

I've always maintained that I would be fine with immigration IF infrastructure was increased to cope with the increased amount of users. But it isn't being increased and hasn't been.

All you are doing is ignoring the details, ignoring the discussion and throwing in flippant, playground type responses. It doesn't get any of us anywhere.