Help with teachers pro rata pay

anamenottaken

DamonF1 wrote: »

Hi so would you be in the same boat if you left just before the years end? You do get holiday pay just that you have to take it during school holidays.

They sent me a spreadsheet showing how many days to be worked (39 weeks) plus 30 days holiday plus 8 days bank holiday which makes up her pro rata salary

38 days (=7.6 weeks) is a fairly generous holiday entitlement for someone working 39 weeks a year or is that entitlement for someone who worked 44.4 weeks)?

Why did they send you the spreadsheet? Are they discussing the details of your wife's pay with you? If they are, do they have written confirmation from her that she consents to this?

GwylimT

fannyadams wrote: »

I am at school and pro rata paid.
I work 30 hours out of 37 each week - 81%
I work 39 out of 52 weeks each year - 75%
the advertised salary for my job is £15K per annum
I get £9112.50 per annum (15000 x 0.75 = ZZ then ZZ x 0.81 = 9112.50)
this is divided into 12 monthly amounts and I am paid this money on the last day of each month. I get £759.37 per calendar month.
technically I don't get paid for school holidays (hence 39 weeks working out of 52). Teachers DO get paid for school holidays. TAs I'm not sure. some do, some don't, it depends.

Teachers are paid during the school holidays, but teachers do not have paid holidays, they are pro-rata.

DamonF1

anamenottaken wrote: »

38 days (=7.6 weeks) is a fairly generous holiday entitlement for someone working 39 weeks a year or is that entitlement for someone who worked 44.4 weeks)?

Why did they send you the spreadsheet? Are they discussing the details of your wife's pay with you? If they are, do they have written confirmation from her that she consents to this?

Hi Yes I do and because I have experience in payroll and pro rata pay outside of schools and we did not treat our staff in the way she has been treated so I have a little more understanding than my wife and she would rather me deal with it for her as she has found it all quite upsetting.

DamonF1

GwylimT wrote: »

Teachers are paid during the school holidays, but teachers do not have paid holidays, they are pro-rata.

Every single worker gets paid holidays. That's a basic right. An employer has the right to choose when those holidays can be taken. So all workers in a school get paid holidays they just occur during the school breaks whether they are a cleaner or head teacher.

Obviously pro rata is a minefield and it has changed a little from when I last dealt with it years ago but it looks like it'll be going to tribunal although the 3 month window has passed so we will see how it goes.

Takeaway_Addict

DamonF1 wrote: »

Every single worker gets paid holidays. That's a basic right. An employer has the right to choose when those holidays can be taken. So all workers in a school get paid holidays they just occur during the school breaks whether they are a cleaner or head teacher.

Obviously pro rata is a minefield and it has changed a little from when I last dealt with it years ago but it looks like it'll be going to tribunal although the 3 month window has passed so we will see how it goes.

Small claims might be better

notanewuser

As she's not on national terms and conditions it will depend entirely on her contract what she's entitled to.

cr1mson

When I have worked term time contracts my pay accrues over 39 weeks plus holidays but is effectively disbursed over 12 equal monthly payments. Therefore adjustments may be required depending on when contracts finish.

getmore4less

fannyadams wrote: »

I am at school and pro rata paid.
I work 30 hours out of 37 each week - 81%
I work 39 out of 52 weeks each year - 75%
the advertised salary for my job is £15K per annum
I get £9112.50 per annum (15000 x 0.75 = ZZ then ZZ x 0.81 = 9112.50)
this is divided into 12 monthly amounts and I am paid this money on the last day of each month. I get £759.37 per calendar month.
technically I don't get paid for school holidays (hence 39 weeks working out of 52). Teachers DO get paid for school holidays. TAs I'm not sure. some do, some don't, it depends.

This is being done wrong, no one works 52 weeks so can never earn the £15k

paid holiday is right, how much holiday would a full timer get and how many weeks would they work.

statutory holidays is 5.6 weeks so 46.4 working minimum prorata for 39 weeks is 39/46.4= 84%

fannyadams

getmore4less wrote: »

This is being done wrong, no one works 52 weeks so can never earn the £15k

paid holiday is right, how much holiday would a full timer get and how many weeks would they work.

statutory holidays is 5.6 weeks so 46.4 working minimum prorata for 39 weeks is 39/46.4= 84%

well yes I see where you are coming from since they technically can't work all 52 weeks of the year being as school is 39 weeks only. However, teachers would get the full rate (what i refer to as the 52 week rate) as for some reason they get paid the full whack.
Support staff are ALWAYS paid pro rata which is the 39/52 week rate and are further penalised if they also do pro rata of 37 hours per week.
I'm just quoting what happens to me and how payroll explained why I got so little in my pay packet.
I know it's wrong but it's what happens to support staff in schools all over the country, unless they've negotiated better pay & conditions.

WHEN I quit, which will be very soon, I have to give one months notice and I am expected to work my notice (although for some reason it says I can be obliged to take 'garden leave') so I will get paid for my notice unless I quit with immediate effect and not work my notice in which case I will only be paid for the days I worked.