Friends rights on sickness?

DCFC79

OP maybe its something you have considered but could your friend not get a transfer to a store closer to you and stay with you ?

Vectis

Viberduo wrote: »

..........Also this is a big thing, his health meant he was supposed to get a short break every hour to test his blood, and perhaps have a snack..........

If that's truly the case then your friend ought to be able to get a letter from his doctor stating that he needs to do this every hour, and he could present this to his employer. Faced with this his employer would have to act on it.

Otherwise, it could simply be looked on as your friend saying he 'wants' to do this every hour rather than 'needing' to do it. There's a big difference.

DigForVictory

It's a sad world where you have to keep records, but I'm afraid your mate will be up against professional lawyers at Tribunal unless he can show the doctors written orders, the refused shift agreements and so on.

In so far as you can, get him to text you so you can keep a log for him? He's in a bad place, but a bit of patience & maybe more clarity between his medic & his employers could help.

Viberduo

DCFC79 wrote: »

OP maybe its something you have considered but could your friend not get a transfer to a store closer to you and stay with you ?

Yes, this was the actual plan but the company just says its down to if a position becomes available and my friend has been waiting about 6 weeks for a transfer so far with no luck despite about 15 branches within 15 miles.

Some "good" news today, havent spoken to friend since Tuesday and found out he spent that time in hospital but no one is sure yet what the problem is(as he wont tell his family and friends)

Another_not_new_user

But the problem is that having 15 stores within 15 miles does not mean that there are any jobs available that are suitable for him. You do need to understand that no matter what the situation, there is no right to a transfer here - if the employer gives him one then it is a "favour". And I am sorry, because this is going to go into the list of things you won't want to hear, but if I was a store manager faced with an ask to see if I could find a job for someone who is often in hospital and demands hourly rests breaks to check blood sugar and/or eat - sorry but I wouldn't be looking too hard. Employers do these sorts of things for staff who are too valuable or loyal for them to want to lose. Your friend simply isn't going to fit into that category. So I am afraid that I wouldn't suggest holding your breath on him ever getting a transfer. I may be wrong and I'd be delighted for him if I were - but I bet I am not.

Viberduo

Yes I worry about getting a transfer too, and do not think its a right, just as I think the 2 supervisors shouldnt automatically give him a lift but I just think it would be in their good interests to minimise disruption to make him a more efficent employee which will help with his health etc, just not helping will make him crack eventually, its just a shame 7 years of service to them means nothing when he lived near me he had been offered better paid jobs but didnt want to take the risk and was happy working for them.

EDIT: forgot to say for his health issues, I remember he said he was either hyper or hypoglycimic not sure if everyone with diabetes has that and that is the reason he has many breaks to check his blood sugar and get a snack.

James_B.

Viberduo wrote: »

Yes I worry about getting a transfer too, and do not think its a right, just as I think the 2 supervisors shouldnt automatically give him a lift but I just think it would be in their good interests to minimise disruption to make him a more efficent employee which will help with his health etc.

I'd really not be happy if a member of staff asked to come in to work with me every day, in my car, and expected that I'd agree for their good.

Yes, some people would find this strange, but it's still my car. Why would I compromise, every single day, on my ability to choose to come in when I want? Why would I risk making myself late? Why would I commit to letting someone know if I decided to stay out late on a night out and stay in a hotel, or to have a drink and choose a later start time?

It is wholly unreasonable to expect someone to get your friend to work, no matter how much he might like the idea.

its just a shame 7 years of service to them means nothing

It did not mean nothing, which is why they paid him for that service. That was the deal, you come in and do the job, and you get paid for it. It sounds like they've been very accomodative down the years, despite him being what seems to be quite a difficult person to manage.

Another_not_new_user

Viberduo wrote: »

Yes I worry about getting a transfer too, and do not think its a right, just as I think the 2 supervisors shouldnt automatically give him a lift but I just think it would be in their good interests to minimise disruption to make him a more efficent employee which will help with his health etc, just not helping will make him crack eventually, its just a shame 7 years of service to them means nothing when he lived near me he had been offered better paid jobs but didnt want to take the risk and was happy working for them.

EDIT: forgot to say for his health issues, I remember he said he was either hyper or hypoglycimic not sure if everyone with diabetes has that and that is the reason he has many breaks to check his blood sugar and get a snack.

You are, I regret to say, looking at this from the wrong perspective. These are employers. There are good employers and bad employers, but in the end they are all employers and so their interest is profit and/or efficiency. Their profit and efficiency. Not your friends. There are plenty more where he came from, and they won't be causing any disruption or inefficiency. Why would it be in the employers interest to take a risk on "fixing" him - which at best isn't a fix, because he will still be a dead weight from where they are standing. I appreciate that this is a pretty horrible way to look at the world, but it is the way that most employers look at it. They are not a social services department, and their employees are only worth what they produce and/or the potential liability they may be in terms of legal action. Right now the employers best strategy in these terms is to sit on a transfer and do nothing. Either your friend will end up being dismissed on capability for frequent absence - or he will resign because his health can't take the job. That is what they would call a win.

Takeaway_Addict

Viberduo wrote: »

Yes I worry about getting a transfer too, and do not think its a right, just as I think the 2 supervisors shouldnt automatically give him a lift but I just think it would be in their good interests to minimise disruption to make him a more efficent employee which will help with his health etc, just not helping will make him crack eventually, its just a shame 7 years of service to them means nothing when he lived near me he had been offered better paid jobs but didnt want to take the risk and was happy working for them.

EDIT: forgot to say for his health issues, I remember he said he was either hyper or hypoglycimic not sure if everyone with diabetes has that and that is the reason he has many breaks to check his blood sugar and get a snack.

The car share thing is a non issue, if people don't want to share, regardless if they are supervisors or not they don't have to and ultimatley they don't get on so would you share your car with someone you probably don't like?

lincroft1710

Another_not_new_user wrote: »

You are, I regret to say, looking at this from the wrong perspective. These are employers. There are good employers and bad employers, but in the end they are all employers and so their interest is profit and/or efficiency. Their profit and efficiency. Not your friends. There are plenty more where he came from, and they won't be causing any disruption or inefficiency. Why would it be in the employers interest to take a risk on "fixing" him - which at best isn't a fix, because he will still be a dead weight from where they are standing. I appreciate that this is a pretty horrible way to look at the world, but it is the way that most employers look at it. They are not a social services department, and their employees are only worth what they produce and/or the potential liability they may be in terms of legal action. Right now the employers best strategy in these terms is to sit on a transfer and do nothing. Either your friend will end up being dismissed on capability for frequent absence - or he will resign because his health can't take the job. That is what they would call a win.

This is a very cynical view of employers, but probably about 99.999% accurate.