Disciplinary for something I didn't do

nyc_451

Hello friendly people :hello:

Looking for some advice. At work we found some mistake that happened long time ago and a few people could have possibly made it. For some reason I've been picked to put the blame on But there is no proof, there wasn't even an investigation, and I honestly don't think it was me. Anyway, I am getting a disciplinary soon. Someone told me that I have a right not to accept it, and that if I sign it, I will admit my fault - is that right?

andygb

blue_mango wrote: »

Hello friendly people :hello:

Looking for some advice. At work we found some mistake that happened long time ago and a few people could have possibly made it. For some reason I've been picked to put the blame on But there is no proof, there wasn't even an investigation, and I honestly don't think it was me. Anyway, I am getting a disciplinary soon. Someone told me that I have a right not to accept it, and that if I sign it, I will admit my fault - is that right?

Never, ever sign anything which you do not agree with.
If you ever suspect that people are trying to fit you up, then take a recording machine to work and turn it on - I am not joking.
The workplace is an absolute jungle now, and you have to become a predator to fight off the other predators.

nyc_451

andygb wrote: »

Never, ever sign anything which you do not agree with.
If you ever suspect that people are trying to fit you up, then take a recording machine to work and turn it on - I am not joking.
The workplace is an absolute jungle now, and you have to become a predator to fight off the other predators.

I agree with you, can't trust anyone now...

If someone turns up to do a disciplinary hearring and I obviously deny my fault and they record it, should I still not sign it?

Can I actually appeal before they even do that?

It's a ridiculously small loss for the business but I know they have to do something, they're just too lazy to properly investigate things, want to put blame on someone and leave it like that. I wouldn't get fired I am sure, but it's just not right.

monty-doggy

They can't do a disciplinary without first conducting an investigation.

agrinnall

As usual, we need to know how long you have worked there: while in theory it shouldn't affect the answers, in practice if you've been there less than 2 years you have to be careful what you do.

the_donchichio

Obviously the company would investigate before starting disciplinary proceedings but the most important question is have you worked for the company for over two years??? If you have not, your rights are extremely limited and personally I would try to be diplomatic

And there is no point recording conversations secretly as without declaring you are recording such conversations they would not be accessible as evidence...these recordings could be used to back up your comments/notes taken or lack thereof... you could however state you want to make notes and/make sure someone is taking notes in the meetings

You should take an employee or union member as your representative to take notes on your behalf and for support/perspective

Undervalued

the_donchichio wrote: »

And there is no point recording conversations secretly as without declaring you are recording such conversations they would not be accessible as evidence...

That is not necessarily true. There have been occasions where transcripts from covert recordings have be admitted as evidence at employment tribunals. It is up to the judge to rule taking account of all the circumstances.

the_donchichio

Undervalued wrote: »

That is not necessarily true. There have been occasions where transcripts from covert recordings have be admitted as evidence at employment tribunals. It is up to the judge to rule taking account of all the circumstances.

Yes but it's not guaranteed so OP should take or have someone take written notes as well and not just solely rely on recordings

Undervalued

the_donchichio wrote: »

...... so OP should take or have someone take written notes as well and not just solely rely on recordings

I would agree.

However, your earlier statement

And there is no point recording conversations secretly as without declaring you are recording such conversations they would not be accessible as evidence

like so many of your other assertions on this board was wrong!

the_donchichio

Undervalued wrote: »

I would agree.

However, your earlier statement



like so many of your other assertions on this board was wrong!

Thanks for reading all my incorrect assertions as out of context they can be subjectively deemed as wrong mr correction police

the_donchichio

Covert conversations can be quite easily rejected by courts so it's a gamble and I for one would not risk mt livelihood, no matter how incorrect the assertion is subjectively considered