Time off for kidney donation?

JReacher1

!!!!!! wrote: »

Did he intend to break both legs? If so then it is in the same category as intentionally having a healthy kidney removed from your body

Not really the same category

1) - If you intentially break both your legs you are an idiot.

2) - If you intentionally donate a kidney to a member of your family you are a nice person!

System

The same category as far as the employer is concerned. Both have intentionally removed themselves from the workforce for a long period

JReacher1

!!!!!! wrote: »

The same category as far as the employer is concerned. Both have intentionally removed themselves from the workforce for a long period

I don't think you live in the real world. If you honestly think that an employer would put both these scenarios in the same category then you are (and apologies for this) and absolute imbecile.....

FBaby

!!!!!! is not an imbecile and has made a very valid point. It's about level of risk. Giving a kidney is clearly 100% risk that you will be off afterwards for a long time. Putting yourself in a voluntary situation when that might happen will carry a lower risk, but still one much higher than if you didn't put yourself voluntarily in this situation.

Insurance company consider that risk to be high enough to exempt them from paying compensation in the same way than if you did put yourself in a situation when it is going to happen for sure. An employer could see it the same way, that a risk is a risk, and consider that 100% risk vs 50% is still high risk, as opposed to looking after yourself so you fall under a 2% risk.

Some might add the altruistic effect into their consideration too.

System

JReacher1 wrote: »

I don't think you live in the real world. If you honestly think that an employer would put both these scenarios in the same category then you are (and apologies for this) and absolute imbecile.....

It does make me wonder whether you are actually in the real world with comments like that.
They are both intentional, positive actions that were not necessary therefore as far as the employer is concerned have exactly the same effect so can be categorised the same - an action to intentionally remove yourself from the workforce.. You picked the analogy, not me. I just provided the employer's interpretation of it.

Undervalued

JReacher1 wrote: »

I don't think you live in the real world. If you honestly think that an employer would put both these scenarios in the same category then you are (and apologies for this) and absolute imbecile.....

By resorting to insults you simply underline your ignorance!

There are plenty of employers who have a very firm absence management policy and show little or no flexibility even when an employee themselves has real problems. Rightly or wrongly this can be perfectly lawful.

What we are talking about here is the potential for a significant absence, caused purely by the OP electing to undergo a major medical procedure for the benefit of a relative.

However laudable that may be an employer is under no legal obligation whatsoever to make any adjustments to accommodate this.

Whilst I'm sure many employers would be flexible plenty wouldn't.

Lalique_2

My brother will be donating a kidney to me. My local NHS trust will cover loss of earnings. However, his company has also indicated he can get full company sick pay from the day of our surgery. It may be worth speaking with your transplant team about this. All the best to you and your brother.

http://www.organdonation.nhs.uk/how_to_become_a_donor/living_kidney_donation/questions_and_answers.asp

How will I be able to afford time off work?
You should discuss this with your employer and find out what is available under your (their) terms of employment around Statutory Sick Pay. You may be eligible for reimbursement of loss of earnings and costs. However, reimbursement is at the discretion of the recipient’s health care providers. You will need to discuss this with your transplant team.

JWIOW

Thank you all for your responses, very nervous about the whole thing if I'm honest but I'm not going to let my employer stop me from helping one of my family!
I have some pre-tests and psych sessions that I need to attend before anything else, anyway.

wiogs

JWIOW wrote: »

Thank you all for your responses, very nervous about the whole thing if I'm honest but I'm not going to let my employer stop me from helping one of my family!
I have some pre-tests and psych sessions that I need to attend before anything else, anyway.

Good luck.

There is a lot that can stop a potential donation before you get anywhere near surgery.

Both the donor and recipient must also be prepared for the donor kidney not to work, or be rejected or many other things that may not work out as intended.

Well done you for volunteering. A big decision and a laudable one.

lisyloo

I think !!!!!! highlights a valid point.
Activities such as getting drunk, hazardous sports (diving, parachuting, motorcycling, skiing, car racing) are considered "normal" activities these days.
People don't do these activities to deliverately injure themselves although they do take risks.

Someone going through elective surgery is deliberately making themselves "sick".

It's an extremely kind and altruistic thing to do and one would hope that the employer would be charitable, although I'm not sure I see it as the employers responsibility to take 100% of the hit (nice if they did though).
To play devils advocate why shouldn't the employee use their paid holiday and not damage either their income OR the business.

I wanted to ask my employer for time off for volunteering once.
But I couldn't think of a good reason to justifiy doing it on their time and not mine.

I do see a different though between deliberately making yourself "sick" albeit for good reason and indulging in hazardous activities where however risky, the expected outcome is that you still go home as normal and are fit for work.