Unemployed to be given 'attitude tests' by Job Centres

dandelionclock30

Pointless really as people will just tell them what they want to hear. I dont know how they are going to have time for all this. When I used to sign on it was ram packed and you to wait a while because they were so busy.

CCFC_80

melysion wrote: »

Let's not kid ourselves. It's another sanctioning tool

Spot on and when this country is up the creek, let's take it out on the unemployed and to hell with the bankers bonuses

dandelionclock30

Yeah, lets not go after Starbucks and Amazon and that crooked little thief Gary Barlow. Lets just make the unemployed sing for their supper instead and be happy to be exploited by these rubbish employers.

Takeaway_Addict

dandelionclock30 wrote: »

Yeah, lets not go after Starbucks and Amazon and that crooked little thief Gary Barlow. Lets just make the unemployed sing for their supper instead and be happy to be exploited by these rubbish employers.

Would you pay more tax than you had to?

The two companies haven't done anything illegal and I believe Barlow has paid or is paying the correct tax now due.

And should those with a poor attitude to work be paid money?

trollopscarletwoman

Takeaway_Addict wrote: »

Would you pay more tax than you had to?

The two companies haven't done anything illegal and I believe Barlow has paid or is paying the correct tax now due.

And should those with a poor attitude to work be paid money?

I read that your attitude needs adjustment.

Yes, those out of work should get a subsistence living otherwise they will starve.

Personally, I don't wish to step over them in the gutter.

Takeaway_Addict

trollopscarletwoman wrote: »

I read that your attitude needs adjustment.

Yes, those out of work should get a subsistence living otherwise they will starve.

Personally, I don't wish to step over them in the gutter.

We're talking about JSA here, not other benefits. If people don't want to work then they shouldn't get JSA or NI contributions...quite simple.

KevInChester

Takeaway_Addict wrote: »

We're talking about JSA here, not other benefits. If people don't want to work then they shouldn't get JSA or NI contributions...quite simple.

What are your thoughts on:

Bankers being bailed out

MPs fraudulently making expense claims/playing the system

A myriad of companies raking in money from the work programme et al but not actually providing anything of value to the tax payer (a net loss)

Giving companies like Poundland free labour dressed up as another scheme administered by the companies referred to above

Tax dodging

Any one of IDS's crackpot schemes for !!!!ing away money

melysion

Takeaway_Addict wrote: »

We're talking about JSA here, not other benefits. If people don't want to work then they shouldn't get JSA or NI contributions...quite simple.

Then you would obviously prefer them to starve. Yep, you need an attitude adjustment.

I now its popular to believe that people on JSA are lazy layabouts but I don't know one person that has the misfortune of being unemployed that fits that description. But the government has to reduce the unemployment figures somehow and if they are incapable of generating more jobs then generating anther sanctioning opportunity will have to do instead

MrJester

I have a family member who probably quite easily comes under the despondent description. He has no aims to work, and I don't think he has worked in some 15 years or so. He is an alcoholic, and so it is difficult, because being a substance abuser pretty much all his aims go into that, so anything else is completely disregarded.

There really isn't good help for alcoholics unless the family step in, my mother tries to help him but he will always end up the same way very ill or will completely take advantage of her good will and efforts.

He's been on ESA I think due to his multiple illnesses from the alcoholicness such as sciatica and more, but now is on JSA because he has actually improved in health somewhat, he can walk and use his hands better now. But this all depends on whether he's been on a big bender recently or not.
He's not fit to work really, his health wouldn't match up at all to just even the most basic jobs. The mental power alone would be too much for him.
But he's on JSA now and he's going to get vigorous poor treatment about finding work and will likely be kicked off JSA and then my mother will convince them to pay him something. Just so he stays alive basically.

Despite all this, I do think jobseekers is going in better directions, yes it may be just introducing more ways to section people off and gives them more power to kick people off the benefits etc. Of course there is just.. good and bad to things like this.
Some people it may kick them up the !!!! to make an effort, others, like my brother, will only likely sink further into a non-existence, and further into substance abuse and alcoholism.

JSA and ESA should become one full system, that analyses each case individually and offers up practical solutions. The money isn't really there (at least its not a part of the budget) to assist extreme cases, the most they do is give people more benefits when they match a particular bracket like health problems etc.. but actual investment into curing health problems or other like mental problems, not a chance.
It really does take for a person to WANT to change their life around, but in this cruel world some find it impossible, and unimaginable, further destroying them.

My brother will never work. He will likely die before he's 50 of his alcoholism. My family is basically prepared, and aware of this. Some of us have become entirely disheartened to his situation because we feel it is hopeless. And we don't have the money to put him in private healthcare or some asylum to cure him.

I realise I've gone off on a tangent. What I am trying to say is that in some ways its good to see further developments on the best way of approaching jobseekers on a case by case basis, but does this mean that it will give them more power to just kick people off benefits (most likely!) or will it mean they actually provide further assistance and support to those that need it.
Hard to say.

Takeaway_Addict

melysion wrote: »

Then you would obviously prefer them to starve. Yep, you need an attitude adjustment.

I now its popular to believe that people on JSA are lazy layabouts but I don't know one person that has the misfortune of being unemployed that fits that description. But the government has to reduce the unemployment figures somehow and if they are incapable of generating more jobs then generating anther sanctioning opportunity will have to do instead

Where have I said that those that want to work should be docked?

I am purely only talking about those that are workshy, nothing else.