DBS check help needed

Oddjob

Hi there, my daughter had a problem in a supermarket a few months back. She had a trolleyful of shopping, went through the checkout but on the way out got stopped by the security guy who noticed a couple of packs of dog treats under her shopping bags.
She was accused of trying to hide them but she hadn't done that at all, she had a few big bottles of water which rolled around in the trolley and we think they probably pushed the treats under there when she tried to stop the bottles rolling. She hadn't noticed when she loaded things onto the belt as she had several bags of treats and didn't miss them, It certainly wasn't intentional as my daughter is very honest but the security guy wouldn't believe her. She got taken into an office and the police were called although no action was actually taken, the police just made a note and said they would keep it on record. She did get banned from that supermarket chain.
She wants to apply for a job as a personal assistant for elderly people but we were worried that that would come up on a DBS check. As the matter didn't go to court or anything, would it show up on a check does anyone know?


Thanks

HappyMJ

I wouldn't worry about it. There will be no record of it anywhere other than with the local police station and in any case it's not that serious. A genuine mistake will not prevent her from getting work. She could mention it at the second interview and explain what happened but I really doubt it'll appear on her DBS record.

Oddjob

Thank you, she just didn't want the embarrassment of applying for a job and then being refused because of it. She genuinely hadn't done it on purpose. She was actually in a town miles from where she lives as she was on holiday at the time, so perhaps it wouldn't even go to her local police station then?

Savvy_Sue

As long as she wasn't given a caution?

CKhalvashi

Savvy_Sue wrote: »

As long as she wasn't given a caution?

If she was, this will be on the PCN, and will be disclosed accordingly.

If only a basic check, it will be spent conviction, therefore not need disclosing.

ohreally

CKhalvashi wrote: »

If only a basic check, it will be spent conviction, therefore not need disclosing.

Oddjob wrote: »

She wants to apply for a job as a personal assistant for elderly people

Since this is working with vulnerable people, an enhanced disclosure should be carried out (in Scotland a PVG in addition).

Oddjob

Savvy_Sue wrote: »

As long as she wasn't given a caution?

Sorry, can you explain what a caution would be.
Neither of us have ever been in trouble like that so don't know.


The police took her name and address, she was told she wouldn't have a criminal record by it but they would keep it on record in case it happened again. It won't as she doesn't even take a bag into shops anymore.

Oddjob

ohreally wrote: »

Since this is working with vulnerable people, an enhanced disclosure should be carried out (in Scotland a PVG in addition).

Does this mean it would show up?

ohreally

Not necessarily however if given a caution by the police this would then show up.

John_Aloisi

Oddjob wrote: »

Sorry, can you explain what a caution would be.
Neither of us have ever been in trouble like that so don't know.


The police took her name and address, she was told she wouldn't have a criminal record by it but they would keep it on record in case it happened again. It won't as she doesn't even take a bag into shops anymore.

If she has accepted a caution (almost certainly a simple caution) she would have signed a form accepting the caution. This form sets out the consequences of the caution e.g. having to disclose the caution for certain jobs, being unable to travel to some countries.

It sound like the crime has been NFA'd (No Further Action). If a crime number has been created and she has given her details she may still be tied as a suspect under the force computer system. However, this will not have transferred to the Police National Computer so will not be viewable to other forces and there is no requirement to disclose it.

Oddjob

John_Aloisi wrote: »

If she has accepted a caution (almost certainly a simple caution) she would have signed a form accepting the caution. This form sets out the consequences of the caution e.g. having to disclose the caution for certain jobs, being unable to travel to some countries.

It sound like the crime has been NFA'd (No Further Action). If a crime number has been created and she has given her details she may still be tied as a suspect under the force computer system. However, this will not have transferred to the Police National Computer so will not be viewable to other forces and there is no requirement to disclose it.

Hi, thanks for your reply, the only thing she was asked to sign was a barring order from the supermarket chain which said if she entered their stores again she would be treated as a trespasser and the police would be called, don't know what they would do if she was just shopping and not doing anything wrong but after such an experience neither of us wants to use that chain again anyway.
The policeman didn't give her anything to sign and all he seemed to do was make a note of her name and address in his notebook then ring to check she was registered at that address so the store knew she hadn't given false details, she asked if that would mean she now had a criminal record and he said no it didn't. She was not aware of a crime number being created.


It was just a horrible, frightening experience for someone who hadn't knowingly done anything wrong.