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HPI to outstrip pay rises 'for years to come'

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  • wotsthat
    wotsthat Posts: 11,325 Forumite
    edited 14 July 2014 at 10:00PM
    Well cherry pick pensions. Cherry pick spacious council homes, with gardens. We'll go from there.

    Such is the rate of increase in wealth that in 1971 50% of households rented and by 2011 that was down to 36%. Some grown ups moved on from requiring the state house them from cradle to grave.

    Anything else you hanker after from the good old days?

    Childhood leukemia being a death sentence?
    Cancer survival rates 40 years ago being half today's rates?
    Infant mortality at 11.1 per 1000 as recently as 1981 compared to 4.2 in 2011 (the lowest rate in UK history)?
    Maybe you want to spend most of your income on food instead of the 10% today?

    None of this matters of course because the real price of a house has increased. It's a way of thinking that makes a puddle look deep.
  • michaels
    michaels Posts: 29,543 Forumite
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    cells wrote: »
    Abiut half the homes that exist in the uk were built since the 1960s and virtually all the arguments for anti building were just as valid then as they are now which means anyone who holds them to be true also thinks it was a grave mistake to build half the homes in the UK

    No one seems to get this - surely if building on green belt now is bad then demolishing houses already built on green belt is equivalently good - don't see many nimbys suggesting that their edge of town houses should be pulled down to increase the size of the green belt.
    I think....
  • Graham_Devon
    Graham_Devon Posts: 58,560 Forumite
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    edited 14 July 2014 at 10:40PM
    wotsthat wrote: »
    Childhood leukemia being a death sentence?
    Cancer survival rates 40 years ago being half today's rates?
    Infant mortality at 11.1 per 1000 as recently as 1981 compared to 4.2 in 2011 (the lowest rate in UK history)?
    Maybe you want to spend most of your income on food instead of the 10% today?

    Fella, you are getting hysterical.

    I have no idea why you are trying to suggest we should be happy with house prices, as you have a better chance of surviving cancer. Neither have I any idea why you are trying so desperately to insinuate none of this matters in my mind as we have high house prices. Again, you are making stuff up and trying to attach it to me.

    The two things simply cannot be linked, no matter how hard you try. You may aswell simply suggest the forum should be shut down, theres nothng to dicuss as we eradicated smallpox.

    Trying to insinuate that I think progress in cancer treatment "doesn't matter" because I have a problem with house prices..... its low, even for you.
  • Sapphire
    Sapphire Posts: 4,269 Forumite
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    I don't see the point in building ever more properties only for them to be snapped up in 'BINs' by foreign buyers (especially from East Asia) paying millions for them as part of the operation of some kind of giant casino. This is what seems to be happening, certainly in London wherever any new property is built. In the eastern part of London in particular, but elsewhere as well, horrible blocks of 'luxury' flats are being thrown up at very speedy rates precisely for this purpose. It makes me wonder how long these buildings will last. There seems to be little attempt to build sustainable communities. It will all end in tears…:cool:
    CLAPTON wrote: »
    it's not news as such but there is an increasing concern and awareness of the problem so maybe there will be a change in the rules that prevent more houses being built.
  • CLAPTON
    CLAPTON Posts: 41,865 Forumite
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    Fella, you are getting hysterical.

    I have no idea why you are trying to suggest we should be happy with house prices, as you have a better chance of surviving cancer. Neither have I any idea why you are trying so desperately to insinuate none of this matters in my mind as we have high house prices. Again, you are making stuff up and trying to attach it to me.

    The two things simply cannot be linked, no matter how hard you try. You may aswell simply suggest the forum should be shut down, theres nothng to dicuss as we eradicated smallpox.

    Trying to insinuate that I think progress in cancer treatment "doesn't matter" because I have a problem with house prices..... its low, even for you.



    why do you deserve to be better off than the average person in South Sudan?
  • HAMISH_MCTAVISH
    HAMISH_MCTAVISH Posts: 28,592 Forumite
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    Ok then....

    Growth in real terms (inflation adjusted) disposable income of retired and non-retired households along with GDP as a comparison......

    fig3_tcm77-284690.png

    You really do make this too easy sometimes Dev......;)

    No response?

    An inconvenient truth?
    “The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.

    Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”

    -- President John F. Kennedy”
  • HAMISH_MCTAVISH
    HAMISH_MCTAVISH Posts: 28,592 Forumite
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    Well I see Graham has ghosted out of the conversation again....

    Why am I not surprised?
    “The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.

    Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”

    -- President John F. Kennedy”
  • BobQ
    BobQ Posts: 11,181 Forumite
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    lukeh23 wrote: »
    So honeowners get richer, everyone else gets poorer, and the govenment continue to rig the market. Is this even news?

    Of course it will also mean that owner occupiers that want to down size may even find that only people able to afford to buy are investment landlords borrowing against their other increasingly valuable properties.
    Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.
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