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Historical evidence of London moving into bubble & dragging rest of UK with it

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  • padington
    padington Posts: 3,121 Forumite
    edited 12 June 2014 at 11:04PM
    BillJones wrote: »
    As you would seem to have the figures available, would you share them with the rest of us?

    Also, I seem to recall that lending without sufficient care and attention became viewed as a very, very bad thing a few years ago. Are you in favour of banks lending to riskier propositions than they currently do (with the inherent risks) or not?

    1) f**k All relatively
    2) Yes, banks should be forced to invest a percentage of their money to small businesses that are involved in certain sectors that are important to our economy to grow. That simple rule across the board would make the world a better place.
    Proudly voted remain. A global union of countries is the only way to commit global capital to the rule of law.
  • CLAPTON
    CLAPTON Posts: 41,865 Forumite
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    padington wrote: »
    1) f**k All relatively
    2) Yes, banks should be forced to invest a percentage of their money to small businesses that are involved in certain sectors that are important to our economy to grow. That simple rule across the board would make the world a better place.



    why don't you support tax payer funded banks to support small businesses?
    any loses won't matter as the tax payers will fund this or of course if the small business flourish there will be profits for the tax payers
  • CLAPTON
    CLAPTON Posts: 41,865 Forumite
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    Jason74 wrote: »
    Apologies, I probably should have made the second part of my post clearer. I meant opportunities for independent (ie, without BOMAD) home ownership for young people in London. Prices increasing faster than wages by definition makes this harder, and is, from a social perspective, a very bad thing.

    In terms of the first part of my initial previous post, the problems around social cohesion are fairly obvious to anyone visiting large parts of London. It's also very clear that insecure housing is a big part of the problem, and that rising prices contribute to this issue for many people.



    do you mean that immigration is bad for social cohesion?


    and that home ownership for young people in London is adversely affected by immigrants?


    what sort of actions do your recommend?
  • dktreesea
    dktreesea Posts: 5,736 Forumite
    I don't see what the obsession is with London. 63million + people in the UK and counting. Not even 10 million of them live in Greater London. As for all the work being in London, have you ever been on the M25 in the morning, following the vast sea of cars west to Bracknell, Basingstoke and the like? Not all work is in London. Even for Londoners.

    Who cares what the price of housing is in London if you want to buy in Bristol/Cardiff/Glasgow/Edinburgh/Belfast/any other great city in the UK?

    The people who are buying, say, in Bath, or Bournemouth, aren't usually looking to buy in London and vice versa. To me, property markets are very local. I live and work in Edinburgh. If I was looking for a property, I wouldn't consider Glasgow, even though it's only just down the road, not even 50 miles away and less than an hour's commute.
  • padington
    padington Posts: 3,121 Forumite
    edited 13 June 2014 at 12:05AM
    CLAPTON wrote: »
    why don't you support tax payer funded banks to support small businesses?
    any loses won't matter as the tax payers will fund this or of course if the small business flourish there will be profits for the tax payers

    When did I say I didn't ? You've had too many whiskeys. I don't care how it happens really as long as more money is invested more towards innovation and less towards trading existing houses.

    The tax payer pays for loads of things with terrible outcome chances. Probation workers, fat policemen, welfare state, gold plated pensions for pen pushers, overseas wars and boob jobs on the NHS.

    Supporting small businesses to create more interesting and better paid jobs instead of the rest of the junk that's bought in the name of the tax payer is a no brainer.

    I would like the banks to made to do there bit too though, naturally.
    Proudly voted remain. A global union of countries is the only way to commit global capital to the rule of law.
  • Generali
    Generali Posts: 36,411 Forumite
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    padington wrote: »
    When did I say I didn't ? You've had too many whiskeys. I don't care how it happens really as long as more money is invested more towards innovation and less towards trading existing houses.

    The tax payer pays for loads of things with terrible outcome chances. Probation workers, fat policemen, welfare state, gold plated pensions for pen pushers, overseas wars and boob jobs on the NHS.

    Supporting small businesses to create more interesting and better paid jobs instead of the rest of the junk that's bought in the name of the tax payer is a no brainer.

    I would like the banks to made to do there bit too though, naturally.

    What about the banks' fiduciary duty to their shareholders?
  • Bantex_2
    Bantex_2 Posts: 3,317 Forumite
    Generali wrote: »
    What about the banks' fiduciary duty to their shareholders?
    In the case of RBS I believe the government (taxpayers) make up over 80% of the shareholders. They should be able to do whatever they like with it.
  • BillJones
    BillJones Posts: 2,187 Forumite
    padington wrote: »
    1) f**k All relatively
    2) Yes, banks should be forced to invest a percentage of their money to small businesses that are involved in certain sectors that are important to our economy to grow. That simple rule across the board would make the world a better place.

    So you don't have the figures then, and you want a rule that will make banks lend even when they don't think that it's safe to do so?

    That's idiotic.
  • BillJones
    BillJones Posts: 2,187 Forumite
    Bantex wrote: »
    In the case of RBS I believe the government (taxpayers) make up over 80% of the shareholders. They should be able to do whatever they like with it.

    No, they should not. We quite rightly have very strong rules to stop minority shareholders interests being ignored by the majority owner.

    It is absolutely unacceptable for the majority holder to take economically unjustified decisions that will harm the company.
  • Bantex_2
    Bantex_2 Posts: 3,317 Forumite
    BillJones wrote: »
    No, they should not. We quite rightly have very strong rules to stop minority shareholders interests being ignored by the majority owner.

    It is absolutely unacceptable for the majority holder to take economically unjustified decisions that will harm the company.
    Buy out the other 15% and use RBS as a state run investment vehicle to promote small businesses then. Any losses or profits go to the treasury.
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