What has the EU done for us?

Generali

A surprisingly balanced article from the Telegraph.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/10823040/EU-elections-2014-What-has-the-European-Union-done-for-us.html

I think it summarises the issues extremely well.

burnleymik

I am afraid I disagree.

This article seems incredibly pro Euro to me and is not balanced at all.

Yes we get the odd negative, to make it seem like both sides of the arguments are being made, but overall the article has a very heavy Pro EU slant to it.

Generali

burnleymik wrote: »

I am afraid I disagree.

This article seems incredibly pro Euro to me and is not balanced at all.

Yes we get the odd negative, to make it seem like both sides of the arguments are being made, but overall the article has a very heavy Pro EU slant to it.

Seems unlikely in the Telegraph for starters. I suspect that you're putting your own biases on top.

Bantex_2

Generali wrote: »

Seems unlikely in the Telegraph for starters. I suspect that you're putting your own biases on top.

Please don't take this as an insult, but you appear to be very pro EU etc. Why have you walked away from it all and emigrated to Australia?

Generali

Bantex wrote: »

Please don't take this as an insult, but you appear to be very pro EU etc. Why have you walked away from it all and emigrated to Australia?

Most of the story is here if you look back at my posts. I CBA to repeat it.

Graham_Devon

burnleymik wrote: »

I am afraid I disagree.

This article seems incredibly pro Euro to me and is not balanced at all.

Yes we get the odd negative, to make it seem like both sides of the arguments are being made, but overall the article has a very heavy Pro EU slant to it.

The telegraph are very open about their pro-EU stance. A senior member of their staff has been on newsnight talking of their Pro-EU campaign.

Lots of talk about their duty to do the right thing etc.

While the article looks at what we might lose it doesn't look at what we may gain.

This isn't to fault the article as such, as I don't think a truly balanced article appears in the media anywhere in truth.

michaels

The EU are in favourof censoring the internet, surely this is enough on its own to want out?

Thrugelmir

Europe is full of roads to nowhere built with wasted taxpayers money.

Spain is full of them. MP-203 in Madrid being one. £70 million Euros spent and not a kilometre in use.

Where's the accountability? There isn't.

tomterm8

michaels wrote: »

The EU are in favourof censoring the internet, surely this is enough on its own to want out?

Er... but the British government is in favour of censoring the internet too.

I think there are valid reasons to want out of europe, but that isn't high on my list.

Masomnia

I think it gives a reasonable economic case for staying in.

I'm not sure how balanced it is as it doesn't address the issue of national sovereignty; which (for me anyway) is central.

I like a lot of the economic stuff. I think immigration is a good thing, I don't mind following a few regulations that make selling things abroad easier and cheaper. I object to the mission creep of it, and I object to the loss of sovereignty.

I do accept though that a lot of it comes down to our lack of engagement. As a nation we don't think the EU parliamentary elections are important, yet laws they make take precedent over ones our parliament makes. I find that deeply worrying. Then there was the poll which Cepheus very selectively quoted from, which showed that while 54% of people wanted to stay in the EU, only 13% wanted more integration. Unfortunately for most of the 54%, things staying as they are is not going to happen. We're either in it for the long haul (EU super state) or we'd better get out.

Thrugelmir

Masomnia wrote: »

I like a lot of the economic stuff. I think immigration is a good thing, I don't mind following a few regulations that make selling things abroad easier and cheaper. I object to the mission creep of it, and I object to the loss of sovereignty.

Try dealing with EU financial rules. To cope with 27 participating nations they are are so woolly and grey as to be unfathomable. Even after speaking to an EU Audit Commissioner. One is left bemused. As seemed a case of interpret the rules as you think fit then if we do conduct an audit we'll make a decision on what's submitted. Needless to say we weren't greatly impressed.