You may think you are near the end....but!

Saltyseal

I am going to share some information with you that I have just found out. I posted earlier this week to tell you that my son lied to me about going to college. I've been on his Facebook page and he is talking about going back to college this year.

CSA closed the case as of last September so if he goes to college at a non-advanced level he will be entitled to CHB, I will be assessed under CSA 3 so the first I will know about it is when the demand for payment based on my HMRC contributions lands on the mat (or most likely on the dog because he sleeps on the mat). According to what I understood well he's 18, he would be entitled to that, then because of the timing of college applications he would not be "enrolled, accepted or started on a course before turning 19" BUT you have to make sure you have read all the details contained in that information, I phoned CHB to clarify and basically if he stays on a course this year and then applies for another non-advanced course next year even though he will be 19 he will have been in "continuous non-advanced education" up until he was 19 and therefore will still be able to get CHB and therefore CMS.

So you can encourage your 17 year old to lie to someone who has done them no harm. Leave school, hang about playing with themselves while their mother fraudulently claims CSA, get caught out, enroll in a college course and because it's CMS there is almost no way of checking if you have dropped out of college, you can re-enroll for the next year of college and there you go - £400 quid per month (at least) plus CHB plus whatever else she can claim on top of that.

You might say well he's going to college, but before his mother sanctioned his year off, he was doing great at school and did well in his exams, everyone thought he was going on for great things, not just me, - he should have been going to university instead of hanging around doing nothing.

I know I'm leaving myself open for the "well you should just suck it up because you are paying for your own kid" brigade - let me tell you that I would be happy to pay for my own kid and always have, but would YOU like to pay for a liar and a benefit fraud? Would YOU be happy that you work your !!!! off and they get to take it with absolutely no remorse about lying to you? No thought not..

If you are in my position then good luck mate.

whitewing

Maybe he isn't emotionally mature enough to be going to uni. Maybe his 'year out' will actually benefit him. Teenagers can be very hard work, and sometimes no amount of discussion and sensible options have an effect until they mess things up for themselves.

Sorry that you have to pay for it though.

I do think I would have chosen a different degree if I had taken a year out. I could have had a better paid career path.

supersaver2

Surely you won't have to pay to much if you've been paying for the last year and he hasn't been in education. You must be owed the last years payments back? Surely Mum should also be hauled up for benefit fraud as well if she was still claiming child related benefits?

Don't envy you at all.

Saltyseal

Thanks for your replies, I've calmed down a bit now! I don't hold my son responsible for this, maybe he will be happy doing whatever course he chooses - let's face it anything would be better than hanging around doing nothing. But I do think he has been manipulated by his mother, at the end of the day she knew "she" was not entitled to claim CSA. I'm going to look at the possibility of paying CM to my son rather than to her, it might make him concentrate harder on making something of himself, he's well capable of that.

As for the overpayment, I've got no idea but TBH I think the least likely thing will be that I'll get much of it back. Maybe they can recoup it if she makes another claim - I've got no idea, I'm scratching my head but all I'm getting is splinters.

Have a good evening all, sorry for the rant :beer:

13Kent

I sympathise, same thing happened to us, PWC 'encouraged' child to go on to A levels, rather than do the NVQ college course (which would have lost her CB and therefore CSA payments). Child not being academic lasted till Oct before leaving 6th form. Then child signs on with Connexions, and sits at home doing nothing for months despite us trying to encourage the child to go out and get a 'proper' job, offering to top up salary directly to child if needed. PWC then applies for an extention to the CB while child sat at home doing nothing. CB paid, CSA paid. After 6 months of doing nothing child eventually gets offered an apprenticeship and is paid in own right. CSA still payable as it's classed as Non advanced education. Course nothing child has ever expressed an interest in. Child then moves out of family home, but we can't prove it and continue to pay and PWC continues to claim CB. Payment finally ends as child gets older, finishes the years apprenticeship and we inform CSA that we believed CB no longer payable. CSA check and find this to be the case. I have no doubt that had we not informed CSA of the circumstances we would still be paying now.

As you we have no objection to supporting the child in their chosen career path, and would be happy to support the child directly, but don't want to support the lifestyle of the PWC who has already lied and cheated to squeeze as much cash out of us as possible - to the tune of thousands of pounds of arrears for money my husband paid directly to her that she told the CSA she hadn't had, they believed her and he had to pay the money via CSA all over again. She's had more than her fair share from us over the years.

fabforty

Saltyseal wrote: »

Thanks for your replies, I've calmed down a bit now! I don't hold my son responsible for this, maybe he will be happy doing whatever course he chooses - let's face it anything would be better than hanging around doing nothing. But I do think he has been manipulated by his mother, at the end of the day she knew "she" was not entitled to claim CSA. I'm going to look at the possibility of paying CM to my son rather than to her, it might make him concentrate harder on making something of himself, he's well capable of that.

As for the overpayment, I've got no idea but TBH I think the least likely thing will be that I'll get much of it back. Maybe they can recoup it if she makes another claim - I've got no idea, I'm scratching my head but all I'm getting is splinters.

Have a good evening all, sorry for the rant :beer:

No apologies necessary - CSA makes everyone rant at some point.
Perhaps you should hold your son responsible for this, at least in part. After all, he's not a child and he is the one that lied to you. Mum may well have had a part to play, but it does sometimes feel that PWC is always blamed for the children's wrongdoings, especially towards the NRP. My partner made the same mistake with the mother of his children. There were certain things that his children did, which although she undoubtedly did nothing to prevent, turned out to be predominantly down to his children (if that makes sense). He still blamed her, even when the kids were old enough to be responsible for their own actions.

jacklink

csa payments will effect the amount of loans and/or grants he maybe be entitled too. so that also needs to be taken into consideration