Green Belt - what's it good for?

ukcarper

CLAPTON wrote: »

is that a failure of the planning system in that they are not zoned for houses or a failure of the builders to build or a failure of buyers who would find the resulting costs too high to buy?

Probably is but you wouldn't have thought it wasn't beyond the realms of possibility for the whole of the south east as a region to be looked at and areas identified that could accommodate the building with minimal impact and planning then be granted. Some of premium cause by granting that planning permission could be used to improve infrastructure.

ukcarper

CLAPTON wrote: »

I visit the SE regularly and travel on both roads and public transport.


Apart from having a grand plan for the whole of the SE, do you have any other 'solutions ' that could start to work this year?

The trouble is if you just build on the green belt it is lost for ever. There is plenty of building already planned or in the pipeline that could be brought forward. Near me there are plans for 4000 houses the land is available but it is due to complete over the next 20 years.

CLAPTON

ukcarper wrote: »

Probably is but you wouldn't have thought it wasn't beyond the realms of possibility for the whole of the south east as a region to be looked at and areas identified that could accommodate the building with minimal impact and planning then be granted. Some of premium cause by granting that planning permission could be used to improve infrastructure.

confused


are you saying that this empty shopping mall needs to be looked at in the context of the whole of the SE before anything should be done?


I can't see why local people (Local councils etc) with knowledge of their own local area can't identify suitable areas for building rather than have Westminster based bureaucrats.

CLAPTON

ukcarper wrote: »

The trouble is if you just build on the green belt it is lost for ever. There is plenty of building already planned or in the pipeline that could be brought forward. Near me there are plans for 4000 houses the land is available but it is due to complete over the next 20 years.

what is stopping the plans being brought forward?


planning rules?
builders?
lack of demand?

ukcarper

CLAPTON wrote: »

confused


are you saying that this empty shopping mall needs to be looked at in the context of the whole of the SE before anything should be done?


I can't see why local people (Local councils etc) with knowledge of their own local area can't identify suitable areas for building rather than have Westminster based bureaucrats.

You don't change do you no as you probably know all I am saying there are alternatives to building on greenbelt maybe not enough to complete remove the need for building on green belt but enough to reduce it.


But isn't that is what is happening the government are telling Local government the numbers to be built with out the local knowledge to see if it is possible.

ukcarper

CLAPTON wrote: »

what is stopping the plans being brought forward?


planning rules?
builders?
lack of demand?

Not much as far as I can see perhaps because its all it the hand of one developer and they prefer or can't build at a faster rate.

CLAPTON

ukcarper wrote: »

You don't change do you no as you probably know all I am saying there are alternatives to building on greenbelt maybe not enough to complete remove the need for building on green belt but enough to reduce it.


But isn't that is what is happening the government are telling Local government the numbers to be built with out the local knowledge to see if it is possible.

As I've already said, virtually 100% of building in London is brown field sites
Obviously I think that all things being equal it is better to develop existing sites where possible; however there is also lots of sensible places to build more housing.




I don't understand you last point as I thought your were arguing for a grand plan covering the whole SE.






I don't know your local area but I've asked you why retail park hasn't been redeveloped

ukcarper

CLAPTON wrote: »

As I've already said, virtually 100% of building in London is brown field sites
Obviously I think that all things being equal it is better to develop existing sites where possible; however there is also lots of sensible places to build more housing.




I don't understand you last point as I thought your were arguing for a grand plan covering the whole SE.






I don't know your local area but I've asked you why retail park hasn't been redeveloped

Your guess is as good as mine it was built about 15 to 20 years ago as an extension to an existing shopping centre consists of about 30 units and has been empty for at least 2 years. I believe the council have tried to find other occupiers but none have come forward and as it is in very good condition and to be honest quite a nice building they are reluctant to change use. But at the same time a large supermarket cinema and restaurant complex has been built at the other end of town this being directly opposite another large supermarket.

ukcarper

CLAPTON wrote: »

As I've already said, virtually 100% of building in London is brown field sites
Obviously I think that all things being equal it is better to develop existing sites where possible; however there is also lots of sensible places to build more housing.




I don't understand you last point as I thought your were arguing for a grand plan covering the whole SE.






I don't know your local area but I've asked you why retail park hasn't been redeveloped

I am arguing for an overall plan but that doesn't exclude consultation with local government. As for planning I think that is the problem very little planning exist unless you consider telling a local council to build X amount of properties planning.

CLAPTON

ukcarper wrote: »

I am arguing for an overall plan but that doesn't exclude consultation with local government. As for planning I think that is the problem very little planning exist unless you consider telling a local council to build X amount of properties planning.

what sort of planning do you want that say links the needs of essex with sussex?

it seems to make some sense for government to limit its involvement with local housing needs thus allowing the local government to decide the details

do you really want a planning commissar for the whole of the SE determining every detail of where, how and when of every house?