GDP per capita and immigration

Generali

Bantex wrote: »

Friend of mine emigrated to Oz about 6 or 7 years ago. He had to go thru all sorts of hoops even though he had a job lined up with the same company he worked for in the UK. His company had to demonstrate that there were no Australians currently free to do the job.

Also his wife had to prove she was on an approved list of professions (hairdresser).

They both had to be under 40 and take a full medical to unsure no "expensive" medical conditions.

Not exactly open immigration, more cherry picking who they need.

There are many ways to migrate to Australia. One is to qualify via the professions list. It isn't that hard to qualify as a hairdresser I imagine if you wanted to. You don't have to work in that field once you arrive.

Another way is to get educated in Aus. Yet another is to agree to work for a time in a rural area.

Sydney, like any other city, has a large immigrant population serving coffees, driving taxis etc. I doubt these people are arriving via the professional route.

purch

It is strange how few people manage to get their heads around what Opportunity Cost means, and how it effects the economy.

Generali

cells wrote: »

the year you start that graph is important and could show a very different picture

plus the graph is also meaningless in that it most likely is using $$$ rates. what this means is they look at dollar GDP and they use that years average exchange rate which could well make things meaningless. remember how just a few years ago the pound went from $2 to $1.4 which would have shown a massive dollar GDP drop but our pound GDP drop was far more modest.

also imo the UK (esp london) is geared a lot more to globalisation than most other nations and that really began around 2000. so the uk going forward will probably outperform, immigrants or not

How do you know that data series uses market exchange rates? The IMF use both.

http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2014/01/weodata/weoselser.aspx?c=156%2c158%2c132%2c112%2c134%2c111%2c136&t=7#sNGDP_R

antrobus

Generali wrote: »

How do you know that data series uses market exchange rates? The IMF use both.

http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2014/01/weodata/weoselser.aspx?c=156%2c158%2c132%2c112%2c134%2c111%2c136&t=7#sNGDP_R

I thought the IMF used purchasing power parity exchange rates in their World Economic Outlook?

In any event, if any data set was "meaningless" because it used "$$$ rates", then making any comparison between the UK and other countries would be meaningless.

Bantex_2

Generali wrote: »

There are many ways to migrate to Australia. One is to qualify via the professions list. It isn't that hard to qualify as a hairdresser I imagine if you wanted to. You don't have to work in that field once you arrive.

Another way is to get educated in Aus. Yet another is to agree to work for a time in a rural area.

Sydney, like any other city, has a large immigrant population serving coffees, driving taxis etc. I doubt these people are arriving via the professional route.

It is quite controlled though, with fairly strict age and medical requirements.

Seems they are getting the best of all sides.
It's the unrestricted nature of immigration to the UK that pees people off.
The Roma influx (for example) is really of no benefit the the country.

Generali

Bantex wrote: »

Roma influx

What Roma influx? That's a product of your imagination.

We covered this a couple of months back and the feared mass migration of millions of [insert racist term of choice for gypsies] from Romania and Bulgaria simply never happened.

Bantex_2

Generali wrote: »

What Roma influx? That's a product of your imagination.

We covered this a couple of months back and the feared mass migration of millions of [insert racist term of choice for gypsies] from Romania and Bulgaria simply never happened.

Not where I live it isnt. (London/Kent borders). There are around 50 or so camped out in a derelict multi storey carpark and the level of vandalism and petty theft in the immediate area has gone thru the roof.

Generali

Bantex wrote: »

Not where I live it isnt. (London/Kent borders). There are around 50 or so camped out in a derelict multi storey carpark and the level of vandalism and petty theft in the immediate area has gone thru the roof.

There's a tiny part of me that wants to call this racism. If it's not racist then it very much sounds like it.

Do the actual crime figures from the Crime Survey back you up or is this yet another example of anecdote being mistaken for data?

mayonnaise

Generali wrote: »

There's a tiny part of me that wants to call this racism. If it's not racist then it very much sounds like it.

I predict Bantex will now say that you're stifling any debate by playing the race card.
It's the usual modus operandi for the forum bigots on here.

Bantex_2

Generali wrote: »

There's a tiny part of me that wants to call this racism. If it's not racist then it very much sounds like it.

Do the actual crime figures from the Crime Survey back you up or is this yet another example of anecdote being mistaken for data?

It is anecdote, does not mean it is not true. In the grand scheme of things may mean little, but if you are living next door to it, it is a very big deal.