Managers not consistant with holiday allocations.

fruitedeli

Refusing to allow holidays and time off in short notice is smart. He's taking measures to prevent employees attending job interviews.

amiehall

fruitedeli wrote: »

Refusing to allow holidays and time off in short notice is smart. He's taking measures to prevent employees attending job interviews.

What does this have to do with the topic? The OP seems to have asked for time off in June, it's still April. This isn't particularly short notice.

Buellguy

specialboy wrote: »

I'm sorry but I'm with your manager here, its his job to manage his staff and that's what he's doing, if the company are giving him discretion on managing his teams holidays then that's just the way it is, he can dictate when and fr how long your holidays last as long as you get your min allocation.

Yeah, very badly

liney

fruitedeli wrote: »

Refusing to allow holidays and time off in short notice is smart. He's taking measures to prevent employees attending job interviews.

Except the employees know that the leave will not be granted, so they will not ask. They will instead become 'ill' for a day or two to attend the interview.

It sounds to me like the manager has an inferiority complex, and enjoys the small amount of power he actually has just a little bit too much. I'd be looking for another job, or internal transfer.

getmore4less

The obvious long term solution is to change managers one way(staying) or another(leaving making it clear why).

fruitedeli

amiehall wrote: »

What does this have to do with the topic? The OP seems to have asked for time off in June, it's still April. This isn't particularly short notice.

Maybe you should read the entire OP? I commented on a different part of the OP to what you're talking about. These are separate issues.

swingaloo

specialboy wrote: »

I'm sorry but I'm with your manager here, its his job to manage his staff and that's what he's doing, if the company are giving him discretion on managing his teams holidays then that's just the way it is, he can dictate when and fr how long your holidays last as long as you get your min allocation.

Too be honest its not so much about the way he manages his team holidays, its more about the way he is doing it differently to all the other team managers.

We are a big workforce working 3 shifts round the clock. On my shift there is also my best friend and my daughter. Myself and daughter work on the same department and my friend works on another department although we can all be changed round quite often depending on the needs of the business. The 3 of us each have a different team manager responsible for holidays, sickness, welfare etc.

There are 3 shifts with 10-15 team managers on each shift. Mine is the only one who has this rule about holidays being accrued before you can take them and short notice holidays. My daughter can ask for an afternoon off on the same day if she so wishes and if the availability is there it is given to her. My manager has already told us in a team brief that it would never be an option to do that.

If the rules my manager lays down were followed by all the other managers then I would be more accepting of it. Its the fact that our team are treated differently to the rest of the workforce because of this managers own personal whims.

Affynity

You accrue holidays while off sick anyway. So even if you took time off sick, it wouldn't affect your holiday entitlement.
Even if your manager decided to take your sickness out of your holiday entitlement, it wouldn't change the fact you could still take time off sick in the future, because you would be classed as having had holidays and no instances of sickness.

Spendless

What was the manager's reason for agreeing to the first 2 weeks of April off if he is against people using too much, too soon, as that was a fortnight as soon as the holiday year started?

liney

Asking for the afternoon off on the same day does not meet the Statutory Minimum requirement for notice given to request holiday anyway. It is twice the amount of time as the time you wish to take, so 1 whole day for 1/2 day. You don't really have an argument there.

If you genuinely needed the afternoon off at that short notice it must be either a medical emergency in which case you will be 'sick,' not on holiday, or an emergency dependant situation, again which is not a holiday.