Denied chance of promotion following merger

ohreally

Rockpile wrote: »

ohreally and KentishLady: The job is in infrastructure engineering, where site knowledge is indispensible. the new guys will constantly be coming to me (and others) asking where this valve is, how that system works, where the power is fed from etc.

Get hold of the matched job report and also the JD that was evaluated. Chances are it will state that as an alternative to a degree, equivalent experience is suitable.

Pay attention to factor 2. KTE definitions and notes. eg

Expertise within a specialism (Level 5) normally requires degree level or an equivalent level of knowledge. This level of knowledge could also be obtained through an in-depth diploma plus significant experience. Jobs requiring a degree or an equivalent level of knowledge eg registered general nurse, should be scored at this level.

custardy

Rockpile wrote: »

jobbingmusician: As someone who works in the charity sector and has always had to fight tooth and nail for every morsel of training I've had, I rather resent the way NHS employees are often handed career development opportunities on a plate

I think my case shows that this is a fallacy.

But not for all the others in the other hospitals,nor your own hospital up to this point?

FBaby

A colleague had asked several times over recent years to be sent for this qualification, and was told it was unnecessary at his level. Consequently no-one else asked, because they would have to be given the same reply in the interests of fairness.

You know the NHS is all about processes. What should have happened was for them to fill in an official request for training (did they?). If turned down after being considered, they should have gone through a grievance. If only their grievance had been heard and still refused would they have a chance to claim unfair treatment now.

In your case, you won't have much a defense by saying that because they'd been told no, you assume you would be too.

As said before, even though in theory you might have a case, having not followed the proper channels, you won't be able to prove discrimination.

getmore4less

Rockpile wrote: »

ohreally and KentishLady: The job is in infrastructure engineering, where site knowledge is indispensible. the new guys will constantly be coming to me (and others) asking where this valve is, how that system works, where the power is fed from etc.

Josky: I do agree with all other posters - there is no sense in paying (and waiting) for a candidate to undergo training for the role when there are people that already have the training and qualifications in place.

They have the qualification, but not the 'training', which would be done on our specific site, on our particular systems, and which all of us who work here have done over the years.

There is no point trying to fight this on the "it's not my fault I don't have the qualifications so its not fair"

Fight it on the selection criteria are not in the best interest of the organization to get the best candidates to the interview stage.

The counter argument is there are multiple facets to the job and no one will have all the necessary skills and qualifications to do the job.

They need to widen the selection pool to include those without the qualifications but do have the local skills, knowledge and experience that are necessary to do the job(yet), with those that are locally skilled experienced but don't have the qualification(yet).

mountainofdebt

I'm sorry but you are coming across as someone who is throwing their toys out of the pram and having a hissy fit.

In response to your reply to my comment, so you think it should be a job for the boys/girls then where people are given the job simply because they happen to know the people on the interview panel?

No wonder I stopped applying for jobs to the NHS and councils......knew it was a waste of my time!

jobbingmusician

Rockpile wrote: »

jobbingmusician: As someone who works in the charity sector and has always had to fight tooth and nail for every morsel of training I've had, I rather resent the way NHS employees are often handed career development opportunities on a plate

[Rockpile] I think my case shows that this is a fallacy.

Read my post again. I am suggesting you go and DO THE TRAINING AT YOUR OWN COST. DON'T HOLD YOUR OWN CAREER BACK.

If the NHS is cutting down on training, this is your chance to recover your ground and then get ahead of the game, if you invest in yourself!