Failure to be shortlisted

Garnet_Gem

James, I would let it go but would keep my eyes on the situation vacant columns. Probably the job was filled long before it was advertised.

Savvy_Sue

TBH, I think you'll get further in a phone conversation, even if you then ask for written confirmation. I should imagine that whoever phones you will be very careful what they say, but at least in a phone conversation, you can say "Are you saying that ..." and get some clarity. Once it's on paper, yes you CAN phone and ask for more, but I wouldn't hold your breath for that, and they will be even more careful what they put in writing.

wisbech_lad

Agree with the corporate culture thing, it wasn't till my third job/ career that I found a good fit.

Remember the old rule of office politics - "if you have to ask how well you are doing/ seen/ perceived, you aren't doing/ seen/ perceived well" You should just know. If you can't be bothered to play the chummy internal management poodle game, then either accept that things like this will happen, or move somewhere where you like being a management poodle.

wisbech_lad

PS, you come across as a stroppy git, forcing firm to interview you and raising complaints.

Now, nothing wrong with being a stroppy git, but (a) you didn't get the job (b) they even sent you abroad while they filled the job and (c) it went to someone, who may not be as competent, but is "chummy"

So, being a stroppy git obviously isn't the route to promotion where you are. If you want promotion, either stop being a stroppy git, or move to a firm where being a stroppy git is an asset (and they do exist)

James_N

wisbech_lad wrote: »

PS, you come across as a stroppy git, forcing firm to interview you and raising complaints.

Now, nothing wrong with being a stroppy git, but (a) you didn't get the job (b) they even sent you abroad while they filled the job and (c) it went to someone, who may not be as competent, but is "chummy"

So, being a stroppy git obviously isn't the route to promotion where you are. If you want promotion, either stop being a stroppy git, or move to a firm where being a stroppy git is an asset (and they do exist)

All quite true. I have been MADE stroppy. No-one else is going to look out for me, but me.
Oh the mess, the mess! Only remaining keyholder late for work on Wednesday. Five people with deadlines unable to use main office equipment because the door was locked. Staff searching corridors for a late departing cleaner to open up for them .... All senior staff on holiday at the same time. no-one picking up messages ... temporary staff will be unpaid at the month's end since contract paperwork not completed ... no-one with authority to sign for anything is at work ....

In a sense, I am enjoying it ... (yes, I DO feel bad about that, esp. the poor ones without a pay-cheque)

NAR

James, don't you just love it when things go tits-up due to other's incompetence. Especially when you are in a position to say "If only someone competent had been appointed!!!!"

Savvy_Sue

James_N wrote: »

All quite true. I have been MADE stroppy. No-one else is going to look out for me, but me.
Oh the mess, the mess! Only remaining keyholder late for work on Wednesday. Five people with deadlines unable to use main office equipment because the door was locked. Staff searching corridors for a late departing cleaner to open up for them .... All senior staff on holiday at the same time. no-one picking up messages ... temporary staff will be unpaid at the month's end since contract paperwork not completed ... no-one with authority to sign for anything is at work ....

In a sense, I am enjoying it ... (yes, I DO feel bad about that, esp. the poor ones without a pay-cheque)

But I am not sure how much of that is the fault of the person appointed who you don't think is as good as you would have been? Unless that's the only remaining keyholder ...

chocolatechipcookies

This sort of thing happens to all of us all the time. It sucks, but you have to think, "I didn't get this one for a reason. That reason is an even better job is on the horizon."

Doesn't always help, but it's usually true!

CFC

James_N wrote: »

All quite true. I have been MADE stroppy. No-one else is going to look out for me, but me.
Oh the mess, the mess! Only remaining keyholder late for work on Wednesday. Five people with deadlines unable to use main office equipment because the door was locked. Staff searching corridors for a late departing cleaner to open up for them .... All senior staff on holiday at the same time. no-one picking up messages ... temporary staff will be unpaid at the month's end since contract paperwork not completed ... no-one with authority to sign for anything is at work ....

In a sense, I am enjoying it ... (yes, I DO feel bad about that, esp. the poor ones without a pay-cheque)

Come on James, you're sounding a bit immature here. For heaven's sake, who else other than you would you expect to look out for you? They are your employers, not your mum and dad!

As for the mess at work, it's nothing to do with you - although of course there's always a streak of satisfaction when one sees it! You're so clearly absolutely burning still with indignation that you didn't get the job, you really need to find another employer. It doesn't look to me as if you have any kind of future there unless you can get past your resentment. Fair enough, first disappointment is always sharp but after a week or two you should have been able to let go and accept it and you clearly haven't.

You're not looking reet promotable to me at the moment with that outlook. Managers want people to work with who are easy to work with, not great lumbering teenage mentalities stropping round saying 'it isn't fair!' under their breath!

James_N

CFC wrote: »

Come on James, you're sounding a bit immature here. For heaven's sake, who else other than you would you expect to look out for you? They are your employers, not your mum and dad!

As for the mess at work, it's nothing to do with you

This would be fair comment if it all had no impact on my daily life. But of course mis-management bites deep - and not just in frustration to oneself. On a daily basis this impacts me and others I work with - e.g. a file abandoned in an locked office for which there is no easy access - when "liberated" the remedial work involved to chase up an A4 file full of time-sensitive un-done things takes five people across two departments. The potentially unpaid people at this month's end - who will never work for us again on this basis.

And, more tellingly, there are the two collegues whom I am aware of taking time off due to this, one of whom is being treated for depression. Another is taking a costly early retirement next year.

This "nothing to do with me" is not an attitude I can share.