Do the elders laugh at the yoof

grizzly1911

wotsthat wrote: »

I know you have an issue with BTL but we should be looking at treating the disease rather than the symptom.

The disease is a lack of housing.

Lack of appropriate housing to meet various demands, social, singles, retired.

If being an addict is making you sicker do you prescribe more of the same?

ariba10

ruggedtoast wrote: »

In the boomers time if you wanted to be a plumber you went to a plumber and said - 'can i be your


apprentice' and he either said yes or no and if he said yes, then you had a career, and if he said no you went and found something else to do.

And you had to pay said plumber a weekly fee for the first year or two for him to take you on.

thequant

floridaman wrote: »

We here that there is some sympathy and some rumblings of disagreement but do you think some elders laugh at the young?

floridaman wrote: »

I applied for a ‘creative content trainee’ position with MEC in Manchester after finishing my degree. MEC are one of the world’s ‘leading’ media agencies and are owned by a very large American company. I had two interviews – at which we discussed my experience (of which I had little, only university projects) and my creative ideas for two clients they had at the time (how to help them with SEO/ drive traffic to the website). After passing these interviews I was invited to do a three day trial at the office. During these three days I worked 9-5, barely allowed myself a lunch break, and worked my butt off to find a lot of blogs they hadn’t already found, which they could use to host guest posts. I negotiated with bloggers, worked on the project in the evenings at home and contributed a much needed alternative and fresh perspective on the project at hand. When the three days finished I was shown the door and contacted a week later to say I was ‘not experienced enough’.

I weren't laughing till I came across this site, absolutely hilarious! ROFLMAO


http://internsanonymous.co.uk/


The guy wants to work in "meedja", sums it all up for me

ukcarper

ruggedtoast wrote: »

In your day 'O' levels were considered a mark of distinction and the ticket to a decent job, which could be achieved from school.

Young people now have to have a university degree to be barely qualified for a job filing.

You lot all laugh at the ex poly Media and Pop Music degrees - do you really believe that actually academically oriented students are doing them because they can't be bothered to do that PhD in Chemistry at Imperial?

They're doing them because they are non academic students who are trying for a qualification that they can actually get, that will at least allow their CV not to be binned when they apply for the 'Filing clerk needed, £10,000 per annum with no benefits, must be a graduate.' adverts on Reed.

I know plenty of young people who have wasted precious months and years following plumbing qualifications at FE colleges that peter out the moment they have to do an apprenticeship and there aren't any. In the boomers time if you wanted to be a plumber you went to a plumber and said - 'can i be your apprentice' and he either said yes or no and if he said yes, then you had a career, and if he said no you went and found something else to do.

I agree with most of that, but there is more to it than that and the loss of well paid skilled and semi skilled in manufacturing, mining etc has not helped. I'm not sure that that can be blamed on the boomers. I'm not sure getting an apprenticeship was ever as easy as you make out especially in the 80s and a lot of those manufacturing jobs were mundane with no prospects.

Norman_Castle

Young people now have to have a university degree to be barely qualified for a job filing.

If you advertise a job you will get potentially hundreds or possibly thousands of replies. Stating applicants need to be graduates hopefully avoids wasting time weeding out a proportion of the replies. The fact that so many average jobs can require applicants have degrees shows how commonplace and average a degree education is.

PaulF81

Depends on what your degree is in. If you doss round doing 10 hours of English lit a week, better get used to filing. Put the hours in and do 40 hours a week engineering lectures, plus labs, funny old thing, you will be earning six figures quite easily wishing a decade.

Norman_Castle

PaulF81 wrote: »

Depends on what your degree is in. If you doss round doing 10 hours of English lit a week, better get used to filing. Put the hours in and do 40 hours a week engineering lectures, plus labs, funny old thing, you will be earning six figures quite easily wishing a decade.

I agree. There are some very valid degrees. There are also many which are a piece of paper used to claim competence.

Sapphire

I agree with this, and far too many people I speak to who have just completed their degrees want to work in the media, film, etc. They do not want jobs that they consider 'boring'. On the other hand, many of those who have completed degrees in 'steady' subjects, such as medicine and science, do manage to find jobs and work their way up from junior positions (and buy property, etc., once they have established themselves).

To a certain extent, now that every Tom, !!!!!! and Harry goes to college to obtain a degree, the worth of many degrees has been devalued. Degrees seemed to have far more of a value when only 5 per cent of the population achieved them. There were jobs in manufacturing and industry for those who didn't have degrees, which are now unfortunately lost in this country – the only thing there seems to be is housebuilding and financial services, a dangerous situation for a country to be in, in my view.

I also keep hearing the youth talking about buying a 'house', rather than a flat. Many people of the older generation I know have never owned a house, and they certainly didn't start off by buying one, and they were quite satisfied with this situation. I also don't know many older people who own BTLs.

Much of the 'yoof' who complain about their financial position seem incapable of working their way up in life, through steady work. They seem to want it all handed to them on a platter. It was never easy starting out – you just need to get on with it. Plenty of young people do, and are high achievers.

Norman_Castle wrote: »

I agree. There are some very valid degrees. There are also many which are a piece of paper used to claim competence.

ruggedtoast

ukcarper wrote: »

I agree with most of that, but there is more to it than that and the loss of well paid skilled and semi skilled in manufacturing, mining etc has not helped. I'm not sure that that can be blamed on the boomers. I'm not sure getting an apprenticeship was ever as easy as you make out especially in the 80s and a lot of those manufacturing jobs were mundane with no prospects.

Well, I'm not saying it was an intentional boomer policy, I'm just saying its something which is different now to then.

BillJones

floridaman wrote: »

I just can't believe they (boomers) git away with it. They must be laughing at us. It's a disgrace.

I must admit, I certainly am.

I'm probably about the same age as you, though.