Nhs promotion pay increase query

mini-me66

Hi,
I'm hoping someone with knowledge in the nhs pay scales system can advise.
On the 4th April I am due to get my incremental pay increase within a band.
I recently have been successful in a new job which would take me onto the next band and ultimately a pay rise would come with that.
I have had my letter from HR that I need to sign to accept the post. The issue I have is that the amount they are stating my wage will be, is going to be the same as the increment I am due in April anyway. So theoretically when I start, I will be doing more work for the same pay I was due.
Is it best to not accept the job until after 4th April and then contact Hr to say I need to go onto the next scale, or shall I contact them now and explain the situation?
Any thoughts? Thanks

anamenottaken

When would you actually start the new job?

mini-me66

I believe in 2-3 months as the lady I'm taking over from need to give notice and apparently they need another crb from me (even though I'm staying in the same place)

LottieLou

As I currently understand it, say for example, you're increment in April would take you to a top band 5 and you start the new post before your increment date. You would transfer onto the Band 6 pay scale but you're wage would be the same and increase to the next increment in April.

The same if you started after April, you would recieve you're incrememnt in the current post then transfer onto the Band 6 scale. But you're wage would remain the same. If you are still in the process of waiting for a crb it's going to be a little while yet.

sorry, re-read you're post:

If you are being paid below the starting wage of you're new band, my understanding would be you would start on the bottom of that band, and not get an increment within that band.

WestonDave

I suspect if you drag out accepting the job for another 2 weeks they'll withdraw the offer (at least most commercial employers would!).


First thing to do is raise a query with HR as to whether a mistake has been made and you should be on a higher "point" within the band. That may be the case and can be sorted.


If not then by the looks of the pay scales you have to make a judgement that whilst you might be for example better off on band 3 point 12 than band 4 point 12 (same pay but less hassle) you are at the top of the band and cannot get any further pay rises except if inflation rises are restored. As they govt is using the increments as an excuse not to offer inflation rises that may be a worthwhile judgement to take the hit now for a better future.

mini-me66

Thanks, I think I will call them and explain and see what they say.
I am currently on 26,822 and in April will go onto 27,901 which is the top of band 5 where I would get stuck for ever.
The new job states I will go onto 27901 but in the next band. I hoped to go one step up when I got my new job

agrinnall

mini-me66 wrote: »

Thanks, I think I will call them and explain and see what they say.
I am currently on 26,822 and in April will go onto 27,901 which is the top of band 5 where I would get stuck for ever.
The new job states I will go onto 27901 but in the next band. I hoped to go one step up when I got my new job

Obviously that would be nice, but if you're on the same salary in band 6 as you would have been in band 5 in your current job then you are no worse off for the next year and in a much better position in subsequent years.

anamenottaken

mini-me66 wrote: »

Thanks, I think I will call them and explain and see what they say.
I am currently on 26,822 and in April will go onto 27,901 which is the top of band 5 where I would get stuck for ever.
The new job states I will go onto 27901 but in the next band. I hoped to go one step up when I got my new job

As you would be at the top of Band 5 that is taking account of your experience to date. When you begin a Band 6 job you won't have a year's experience in that role and therefore being at the foot of the ladder is probably appropriate. At least it is a ladder which you will advance on over time unlike staying in your Band 5 role.

t0rt0ise

It is usual in the NHS for them to put you one point above your present point when given promotion, which appears to be what they are meaning to do. Just email HR explaining that when you start the job you will already be on that point and ask them to take that into account. They should agree and put you up a point. You can speak honestly to HR, they deal in those sorts of things all the time.

somethingcorporate

Unlikely to happen I am afraid.

Same happens in my place of work, when we're paid below the band we are given our annual rise and then if we are still below the band get bumped up to the bottom. It means I've lost 3 incremental payrises this way.

If you were the employer what would you do? I think if you try and manipulate it you may get called out and they could withdraw the offer.

stevemLS

It's in the AfC Terms and Conditions.

6.35 Pay on promotion should be set either at the minimum of the new pay band or, if this would result in no pay increase, the first pay point in the band which would deliver an increase in pay (by reference to basic pay plus any recruitment and retention premium, if applicable.

So, if you will already be on the same salary, you should be put on the next point above.

Steve