Really irritated. Are they "allowed" to do this?

lakes17

Podge52 wrote: »

Flexitime was introduced with the employee in mind not the business.

Wrong!! Flexi time was introduced with both the employee and business in mind. It is a two way process so that employee's can build flexi time during quieter times and then work longer hours during busy periods.

Podge52

lakes17 wrote: »

Wrong!! Flexi time was introduced with both the employee and business in mind. It is a two way process so that employee's can build flexi time during quieter times and then work longer hours during busy periods.

"In 2003, the UK Government introduced legislation [2] that gave parents of children under 6, or the parents of disabled children under 18, the right in law to request a flexible working arrangement from their employer. A survey in 2005 by the National Office of Statistics[3] showed that 71% of female workers and 60% of male workers were aware of the rights created under the 2003 legislation. Between 2003 and 2005 more than 14% of all workers had requested a change to flexible working. Since April 2007 the right to request flexible working also applies to carers of adults."

KiKi

Podge52 wrote: »

"In 2003, the UK Government introduced legislation [2] that gave parents of children under 6, or the parents of disabled children under 18, the right in law to request a flexible working arrangement from their employer. A survey in 2005 by the National Office of Statistics[3] showed that 71% of female workers and 60% of male workers were aware of the rights created under the 2003 legislation. Between 2003 and 2005 more than 14% of all workers had requested a change to flexible working. Since April 2007 the right to request flexible working also applies to carers of adults."

That's flexible working, not flexi time. Flexi time may be an option for flexible working, but they are not the same thing.

Podge52

KiKi wrote: »

That's flexible working, not flexi time. Flexi time may be an option for flexible working, but they are not the same thing.

Ah my apologies,

What is the difference btw.

poorlittlefish

With flexible working you might request to work compacted hours, work only during term times, change your usual working hours etc. once agreed it forms a permanent change to your contract (although there are invariably situations when employers need to change contracts).

Flexitime, on the other hand, usually involves core hours during which everyone has to be at work, eg 10am-12pm, then 2pm-4pm. Outside those hours you have the flexibility (providing it doesn't adversely affect the business or colleagues) to choose when to arrive and leave, subject to the hours of operation.

For instance, where I worked previously the official office opening times were 8.30am-5pm, but staff flexi operated 7am-7pm and there was only one hour in the day that was core (11am-12pm - pretty amazing). It meant that I could "save up" the extra hours I worked to take as additional days off. Flexitime also means you can get to doctor's appointments etc without having to book time off. Altogether extremely useful and I wish all employers offered it!

SamuelSutton

SeaLion wrote: »

nwc389


I always 'ask' my staff to do things. It's polite. But let's not be under any delusion that they have a right to say 'no'.

And work doesn't have to 'give and take on both sides'. It's nice if it does, but it really isn't compulsory.

Cor blimey, aren't you a barrel of fun!

Morglin

HurdyGurdy wrote: »

No, I can do it. That's not a problem. I work in front line Children's Services, so I do understand that there needs to be flexibility in working hours. And when it is "on the day" and we suddenly get an influx of referrals, I don't blink an eye at staying.

But as I have said above, it is just the way I was contacted and *told* about it.

I worked in Children's Services for more than a few years, and this was always happening to me!

My kids were grown, but every parent of younger children thought I should work around them, and didn't really ask if I minded.

I used to get in at 7.30 and like you ended up donating time.

With a referral possible, it us the nature of the beast, I suppose as the phones HAD to be covered at all times.

The only time it worked ok for me was if I was minuting a CP conference, or on court duty etc.,

When I was promoted, although the job of manager was more stress, it meant more control over my hours at least.

Lin

Morglin

SeaLion wrote: »

nwc389

Of course Hurdy Gurdy has the right to be annoyed. I have the right to be annoyed at that fact that immense loads of water are falling from the sky, but it doesn't make a ha'port of difference to what happens.

Simple fact - managers will sometimes feel a text is preferable as it is less intrusive out of working hours
Simple fact - better to tell Hurdy the day before than wait till she's in work and tell her then, with no forewarning.

Yes, it sounds like the leave wasn't very well managed. But actually we don't know that. Maybe X had a personal emergency so leave was granted when it shouldn't have been. So what? You think it's an employee's position to hold the manager to account for it?

I always 'ask' my staff to do things. It's polite. But let's not be under any delusion that they have a right to say 'no'.

And work doesn't have to 'give and take on both sides'. It's nice if it does, but it really isn't compulsory.

As a previous manager, I always found that mutual co-operation with my team worked better than throwing my weight about!

Lin :whistle:

TeamLowe

Tbh I never had any notice of the days I had to cover til close of business as it was a case of everyone else would beggar off or be on leave or in a meeting or no warning of the nights if have to stay late to receive a report so to get a text would be much better but appreciate it's a bigger picture thing for you