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Ed Balls pledges to raise taxes if Labour win election
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If you really have such a low level understanding of this discourse then you are right, it is a waste of time. Nevertheless, I shall press on.
The middle ground I was referring to was the choice you presented between being unfair to 99% of the population, and being unfair to 1% of it, i.e. being unfair to neither of them. It's hardly a subtle distinction between that and "the top 1%" in terms of what I was referring to, but you appear to have got confused anyway..
God you are boring!
If being fair to 99% is chosen than that is overwhelmingly the middle ground, even well above it infact as I would argue that it's only necessary to be fair to 51% of the population to reach the middle ground!!The semantics of fairness are also eternally relevant, and no more a silly game played by me than by you saying things like "fairness is not an absolute concept" out of one side of your mouth while saying "fairness is not something I would consider subjective" out of the other. If you are plucking a definition for fairness out of the air to suit your argument (which you are) then expect to have it challenged. Particularly if your argument is based on something being "fair".
If you really cared about fairness you would consider what was fair for everyone. But I suspect you don't. I suspect you care about wealth distribution and distort the concept of fairness to argue for it, possibly to mask cognitive dissonance.
You keep twisting and turning everything I say, but the bottom line is that to achive fairness you will inevitably end up in a situation where some people will complain. You cannot do otherwise. I consider 99% of the population to be as close to 'everyone' as you can reasonably achieve, and if you think otherwise, dream on.You can pretend that this has been made about semantics, but really it's clear that this is about the fact that you won't consider an alternative point of view, as evidenced by your unwillingness to consider fairness for a hypothetical high earner with regards to appropriating their earnings. Suggesting that fairness for everyone else is contingent on treating them unfairly is fallacious too. But I suspect you won't accept that. I suspect there'll be some rambling about their discretionary spending ability that we need to strip from them to somehow be fair to everyone else.
I have considered the other point of view and rejected it. In my view being fair to 99% of the population is good enough for me. And, moreover, why is taxing the richest 1% more unfair even to them? Why is it unfair that they should pay back more to society when they have benefitted more? I don't think it's unfair at all. Indeed, many of the richer people in society would be happy to pay a little more tax.0 -
It would seem that Euro piggies the Kinnocks are arranging for an offsring to enter parliament.
Stephen Kinnock is a potential Labour candidate for Aberavon .A case of the Labour party using its South Wales 'rotten boroughs' to provide a favoured son with a safe seat.That gum you like is coming back in style.0 -
And I'm not excluding the middle ground - are you saying the top 1% are the middle ground?
The notion of the 1% is a bit misleading.
All the time I meet small business owners that lets say produce an after expenses sum of £150k, but like me they apportion say 40% to their spouse and each draw a small basic salary.
Time you throw in a directors loan account and what not, you have a £150k income looking like a much more modest £60k for the main director.
Even good ole Ken Livingston was using a Ltd co for tax purposes.
Then you have all the cash earnings out there too. The reality of income is far removed from what the stats tell us.0 -
The notion of the 1% is a bit misleading.
All the time I meet small business owners that lets say produce an after expenses sum of £150k, but like me they apportion say 40% to their spouse and each draw a small basic salary.
Time you throw in a directors loan account and what not, you have a £150k income looking like a much more modest £60k for the main director.
Even good ole Ken Livingston was using a Ltd for tax purposes.
Do not for a second fall for this notion of a tiny minority of 'rich' £150k+ earners.
Then you have all the cash earnings out there too. The reality of income is far removed from what the stats tell us.
But they won't be paying 45% let alone 50% plenty of tax dodges for self employed. But we are talking about employed.0 -
But they won't be paying 45% let alone 50% plenty of tax dodges for self employed. But we are talking about employed.
I have no idea, but my guess is trying to work out how to close the loop for SE at all income levels to pay fair tax is a greater untapped pool, and thus greater numbers of 'unfairness' if that's the issue for some.
Whether that's worth trying to tap financially I don't know, I'm guessing were it worth it someone would have made the proposal and come up with a way?0 -
It would seem that Euro piggies the Kinnocks are arranging for an offsring to enter parliament.
Stephen Kinnock is a potential Labour candidate for Aberavon .A case of the Labour party using its South Wales 'rotten boroughs' to provide a favoured son with a safe seat.
One can only hope the people of Abervon have enough sense to look deeper than a red rosette and kick this husband of a lousy Danish Prime minister where it hurts
This and the other political offspring entering politics is pretty incestuous and hardly good for the already poor quality of politicians we are saddled with
Rumour has it that Euan Blair is also looking for a seat !"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts."
Bertrand Russell. British author, mathematician, & philosopher (1872 - 1970)0 -
Shudder......................another Bliar.
Son of Prescott is up and coming too.That gum you like is coming back in style.0 -
Shudder......................another Bliar.
Son of Prescott is up and coming too.
Thankfully the good people of Greenwich like the good people of Hull previously rejected said son"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts."
Bertrand Russell. British author, mathematician, & philosopher (1872 - 1970)0 -
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The notion of the 1% is a bit misleading.
All the time I meet small business owners that lets say produce an after expenses sum of £150k, but like me they apportion say 40% to their spouse and each draw a small basic salary.
Time you throw in a directors loan account and what not, you have a £150k income looking like a much more modest £60k for the main director.
Even good ole Ken Livingston was using a Ltd co for tax purposes.
Then you have all the cash earnings out there too. The reality of income is far removed from what the stats tell us.
Was there not something about this being looked at , the spouse issue, in the last budget?0
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